Add ships into it, it would balance it self out
Looks at FA2… Hmmmmm…
Nah, can guarantee 15" AP rounds from Hood would still shell-shatter all the time
I mean one of my favourite things to do atm is play something small like the G-lynx or Lahatut and landing on buildings inside caps, works especially well on maps like Sun City and Seversk 13 because a whole enemy team could arrive on the cap and it would still remain uncaptured lmao
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Hahahaha
Now that is hilarious
I honestly have more fun just doing the most random stuff in matches, tryharding just isn’t worth the time or effort in the big '24
I will begin this by saying it has been many weeks if not months since I last tried to capture a point with an aircraft. Previously, I have simply said ‘aircraft have no practical means of interacting with the objectives’ as there was the theoretical capability for aircraft (including fixed-wings) to capture zones.
Such capability was fairly described as ‘theoretical’ because, while existent, any actual attempt to capture zones with aircraft was extremely prone to failure. Terrain limitations (surroundings, obstacles, etc.) and the vehicle vulnerability made such attempts a fool’s errand. Capturing a zone with an aircraft was never a practical means to gaining a zone.
Capturing or, more often, simply neutralizing a cap was generally, at most, just an amusing way to irk the enemy team. Apparently, capturing with fixed wing aircraft is no longer possible.
Given the difficulty involved (and tanks’ repair mechanics being what they are), I’ve always felt aircraft that can stick the landing in a cap should be able to capture and fully rearm/repair there…if they can get back out, more power to them!
The dichotomy of the “CAS OP!” hype and “we lost because our team was all in aircraft!” is missed by many people even as these bits often come from the same exact individuals.
Team mixture, not AF/GF vehicles themselves, has a far bigger effect on success.
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Yep agreed
Wholeheartedly agree
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I think he’s more upset that the maps are poorly set up for AD and artificially constrain AD into a very small space and provide significant safe space to loiter/launch munitions from that are out of reach from AD.
The contest is not equitable between AD and Air units unless the AD unit is in a full down tier. Unless you’re driving the Pantsir, you will almost always face aircraft that can shoot further than you, often with self guiding munitions allowing them to fire and defend while we’re stuck with junk SACLOS missiles that can be defeated in most cases simply by staying fast and high
A lot of SPAA players dont seem to realise that they have more missiles then the enemy has guided weapons, if you intercept the weapons it either forces the plane to try and get closer to give you less time to react, or he will run out of weapons and have to rearm. Now I know you dont get anything for doing that but your also completely stopping that player from doing anything for his team
lol
Have you actually tried that? Ignoring for a minute that the majority of the AD units can’t actually intercept munitions with IR missiles, even if it truly worked. Which let’s be honest trying to engage several descending F&F munitions with SACLOS missiles with the terrible interface that WT uses is not going to end well for SPAA 95% of the time.
But let’s play that out.
So an A-10 shows up and engages an Stormer HVM with an AGM-65 from 10km out. In this mythical engagement, let’s say the Stormer was actually able to defeat all six AGM’s with 9 missiles. Never actually happen that way. But now he has 5 star streaks left. It will take him 2-3 minutes or more to get to a cap site.
A-10 lands while the Stormer is still fighting his first mavericks, reloads and takes off, seeing the stormer drive to a cap point, he fires off 2 missiles and then flies a little fires one more and then pulls a maneuver and fires another almost instantly on a different path because his TV lock allows him to launch and defend almost instantly.
Stormer dies, A-10 picks off 2 tanks and lands to repeat cycle without ever being exposed to a missile from the stormer because he has significantly more range
well first of all you picked the literally worst SACLOS missile SPAA in game
and second of all you act like there are no other ways to defeat missiles, the stormer has smokes which are very effective against AGM65Ds, most maps have terrain you can use to hide behind.
If I can fight F16s in an ADATS and I consider myself pretty bad in SPAA other people can learn to do it, it really isnt that hard
lol an ADATS 🤣
Thank you for ignoring everything I said and suggesting a vehicle 1.4 BR beyond the scenario as the answer for air having more than 2x the range of ground vehicles 🙄
Your “solution” is one that doesn’t work and most players can’t actually perform at most BRs. The majority of the time SPAAs are out ranged, and don’t have the missiles or the capability to engage fire and forget munitions that planes can land and rearm with faster, while also reloading all of their countermeasures.
then I have no idea what to tell you, I personally never really had an issue with planes, if there were more then I could deal with in a stormer I simply spawn a plane with A2A, I get your complaints but honestly Ive never really had that much of an issue with CAS
Ofcourse you haven’t. Your offered solution was to take a handicapped SPAA and shoot down guided munitions, completely ignoring that the vast majority of SPAAs at the vast majority of BRs are entirely incapable of said performance. And then you doubled down by saying you just take a plane 🙄
Litterally all you’ve done is sidestep the complaints
again i have offered solutions if you dont wanna take them then that is on you, I agree that most spaas cant deal with CAS that out ranges them but they can shoot down in coming munitions
lol, good luck shooting down hellfires in a Gepard 1a2, Chaparral or Strela 🤣
So your issue is IR sams, which I agree cant do that
No my “issue” is that I responded to your incorrect summary of someone else’s statement and your counter was to suggest that SPAA do something that most of them simply can’t do as a solution to employment handicaps that most of them face.
Outside of 8.3 and 12.0 the vast majority of SPAAs are fighting significantly handicapped.
Ground forces need equity.