You are aware trippling the SP requirment on air loadouts would make them completely pointless right? Most loadouts with AGMs cost almoat a 1000sp tripling them would just mean you win with a nuke lol.
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an AGM-65 is clearly more OP than a WE177
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Clearly lol, because if you use WE177 then everyone loses because nuke war :3
Tbh you dont even need to do that just make the score / rp you earn killing a plane be proportional to the sp cost of its loadout, so if you shoot down a CAP aircraft you would get around as much as it is now but if you shoot down a CAS plane you get a lot more.
They could also add score for intercepting enemy bombs or AGMs
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A while back they updated some HE-VT rounds where they now take out incoming AGM/bombs/missiles/rockets and so on at least
Copied from discord:
- 40 mm akan m/70B: kulsgr 90 HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 250 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
- 40 mm M266: M822 HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 500 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
HE-VT rounds can now intercept incoming AGM/bombs/rockets and so on
- 57 mm 2A90:
- 3UO8 HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 500 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
- 3UO8 HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- 57 mm Bofors L/70 Mk. 1: HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 500 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
- DKY1 HE-VTF:
- Drag coefficient: ~0.35 → 0.377
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
- 60 mm OTO Melara 60/70: OTO HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 500 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
- 75 mm XM274: XM884 HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 500 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
- 76 mm OTO Melara 76/62: HE MOM HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 500 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
- 105 mm ZPL94, ZPL98A: DTB1 HE-VTF: proximity fuse:
- Arming distance: 500 → 200 m
- Now detects 80-200 mm shells, bombs, rockets, missiles, etc.
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Ticket Costs for CAS Aircraft: Make spawning CAS planes cost more tickets. This would force pilots to think twice before calling in air support, making it a more strategic decision rather than something used carelessly.
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Better Communication for Ground-to-Air Defense: Ground players need an improved system to mark and communicate air targets. This would help SPAA vehicles and other anti-air units react faster and defend against CAS attacks more effectively.
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Bigger Rewards for Anti-Air Units: To make anti-air roles more attractive, increase the rewards for successfully downing CAS aircraft. This would encourage more players to focus on defending their team from air attacks.
CAS target marking system: One of the major frustrations with CAS is the lack of communication between ground players and air support. By introducing a system where ground forces can more easily mark and alert their team to air threats, it would help balance the game.
- Example: Imagine if ground players could ping incoming threats to notify SPAA and other vehicles with anti-air capabilities. Another cool idea would be a “call for air support” feature. Ground players could highlight enemy vehicles for friendly CAS pilots, encouraging them to focus on high-priority targets instead of randomly bombing the battlefield.
More diverse matchmaking: A new gamemode where pilots get more defined roles, particularly in ground battles against AI? CAS could have dedicated objectives like taking out fortified positions, defending a convoy, or other specific missions focused solely on ground attack. This would add more structure to CAS and give it a clearer role in battles.
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The issue is unless those AI targets give as much as actual player kills no one will go for them, look at actual air rb at top tier next to no one goes for ground targets because, they give next to no reward compared to a single player kill
Simply lowering CAP’s RP would lead to a situation that CAP with ARH missiles being too powerful and too cheap, which players have already experienced in last major update (An A2A loadout would only cost around 600rp). CAS with Fire-and-Forget A2G missiles would definitely be more popular among players while planes with only laser-guided bombs will suffer.
I like the idea of encouraging players to take part in Air Combats, which could also satisfy CAS main players. At least being shot down by another plane which also costs hundreds is more accpetable than by an SPAA with 70-110rp.
So my idea is, since now both bombs and A2G missiles could be intercepted by G2A missiles, why not give players who are actively protecting their teammates from CAS a little “reward”? For each bomb/missile intercepted, a player’s RP request for CAS/CAP could be reduced by a little bit, and will reach a limit so that player cannot spawn twice with a backup too easily.
I’m not sure whether this is technically achievable, but Gaijin could consider other means to give players (who are determined to protect teammates from CAS) a chance to go high up in the air.
It would be better to weight the cost on the weapons and not the aircraft.
For example,
Tornado Gr1 with 12x unguided bombs, really not a big threat at top tier
Tornado Gr1 with PGMs a much larger threat (so long as there is no Pantsir)
Also deals with edge case issues such as using a “CAS” aircraft for CAP. Like the Harrier Gr7 is pretty decent in a dogfight and whilst it lacks radar, its certainly usable as CAP.
Different guided weapons also have different relative strength, so KH-38 should probably cost more than an AGM-65, and an AGM-65 should probably cost more than a PGM. So tweaking the SP cost for each weapon specifically would be a better way of achieving balance as well.
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That would do nothing but screw over some planes and not others.
What’s the reasoning behind this? rearming is rare, and not to mention, it would only effect players that don’t get any kills (thus aren’t an issue anyways)
again what’s the reasoning behind this? you can repair severely damaged planes in air battles.
that’s unrealistic and dumb
base plane spawn cost should be higher (and the added cost of ordinance should be lowered) but CAS nearing the cost of a nuke is far too much
again is dumb. there’s no reason missing a wing would result in not firing weapons
that would make spawn point system useless, and wouldn’t solve any issues
You can already just use “Air Alert!”. Making SPAA even more braindead and thoughtless is bad
This I fully agree on. Anything with 40mm+ penetration below 9.0 (the BR where SAM spaa starts) is dumb.
that would just mean noobs who have no idea how to fly planes would waste SP on something they don’t know how to use, and in turn give the CAS player more SP
that would be far too easily abusable, especially with tank kill SPAAs like Gepard or M19A1
spawn delays would do nothing but have multiple planes waiting doing nothing for the time limit to run out
that makes 0 sense. Imo, a better solution is a static tower with search radar that all SPAA can access 9.0+ regardless of if the SPAA itself has radar
that’s called RWR and is neccesary at higher BRs
In that case, all SAM spaa should be remove aswell
Helis just shouldn’t get ATGMs at all
imo I like the free kills while playing SPAA
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Only with this you can fix most of the CAS spam. Most of my kill by planes are by people just go in a light tank, cap a zone and die.
CAS right now is stupid low and easy to obtain.
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The most funny thing is when someone tries to disagree his in game profile tells You exactly why
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WW2/korean war BRs are just as worthy of balance considerations as vietnman/gulf/insert modern label.
I regularly see dusters and bt-7s and chaffees and locusts and pumas and whatever else there is that fits bill of cheap repair cost, low spawn point cost and ridiculous speed that allows them to get to the point in my 6.0 germany, 4.7 russia and 7.7 britain games on MY team rushing off on spawn and then respawning in planes within 5 minutes.
Usually it’s dusters and bt-7.
Why shouldn’t it be in a combined arms game?
I would not only increase the SP cost of a plane, but I would make the SP cost interactive with the kind of payload you are carrying on the plane. Say, if you are using a Pe-3 bomber with no bombs, the SP multiplier doesn’t change. If you are carrying 1000 kilograms worth of weight in bombs, the maximum cost in SP would increase. I would also increase the reward for destroying an aircraft in game, but that is sort of unrelated to the question.
They have already raised SP costs for planes so how high do you want them? Do want it so you cant use planes at all ? We get the same old posts and the same old answer, people saying they support combined arms while suggesting ways to destroy it.
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CAS is not a part of combine arms, right now is just a wild card for the most stupid and incompetent players obtain his revenge kill.
CAS need be stay in game just we need a higher cost for prevent his explotation.
Really you see this fine??? how is possible get a plane with bombs when the only you do was die LOL.
Yes, just for reduce the SP for tanks few months later bringing all the problem again, just the typical incompetence from Gaijin. So we need a increase SP for planes AGAIN.
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Just play the game with no planes bro
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Thats all ???