If you could, how would you re-balance CAS in Ground Battles?

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It’s not common, correct. Most die from CAS around 10% to 25%, rest of the matches either die from a tank or lived in GRB. Some rare cases around 30%. I based this off from 10 to 25 matches which is the amount casual players play. I don’t believe in nerfing CAS though, should maintain their CAS strength. I mostly prefer a rework on how it’s obtained to fly it like in SP cost. I do believe SPAAs need some more buffs as well like rewards, ability to scout planes as well since we can scout tanks and a better test drive with a SPAA shooting range available for all rather than downloading a mod for it. I would like to practice certain SPAAs to continue improving my aim.

GAB however, people do die from CAS more often and its a lot more common there like around 50% more or less. I honestly believe AB is more fitting for TO than RB and SB.

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1363

All CAS should start at the Airfield not mid-air

CAS should not be able to rearm or it should cost more “spawn points” every time they rearm until they cannot anymore because it is to expensive

CAS should not be able to repair if severly damaged
“Your landing gear fell off? To bad you are not taking off again”

Every shot directly hitting the pilot should kill him instantly

Cas should cost at least double the “spawn points”
Capturing one capture point and spotting an enemy is enough to get a fully loaded plane with bombs to destroy 6 tanks

CAS that is “severly damaged” should not be allowed to drop bombs or fire rockets or other guns

It should not be possible to spawn more than one CAS plane per match

There should be a counter showing how much CAS is present in game to show players if it is worth it at all to jump into AA
Otherwise one is driving around in a useless vehicle

No CAS should have cannons that can destroy ground targets other than CAS with very large slow firing cannons (they take skill to aim)

Everyone should be able to spawn in a fighter to counter CAS even if they have not researched one yet
Your BR right now is 8.0? You get a fighter at 8.0 for free so you can actually fight CAS

It should be possible to jump into AA while still having an “actual tank” on the battlefield similar to how CAS works in Arcade. one would have 2 vehicles on the battlefield at once but only one would be “active”

CAS should have a spawn delay
Something like 5 Minutes after game start no matter how many SP you have

At high BR:

CAS should not be able to fly above radar (I dont mean it should not be allowed to fly as high but the radar should detect it no matter what)
It is a real pain in the bum to look directy above you while their might not even be someone and then you get killed by something on the ground because you where looking in the air like an idiot

CAS should not be able to detect anti air just because their radar is active… good luck finding CAS at all while the radar on your AA is turned off

Guided bombs and/or missiles should be taken away in ground battles
destroying 4 tanks in one strafe is unfair and AA mostly doesnt even have the chance to react

Helis should not be allowed to spawn at game start at all

Helis should not have more than 4 guided missiles (the helipad is very close anyways)

CAS is litterally what makes me HATE this game
It is not fun for me to press spacebar on someone to ruin his battle
and it is not fun for me to get spacebarred on

CAS is simply to easy to play

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1364

Last time I check the gamemode im playing is “GROUND realistic battles”

It even says on the top of the screen
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At least rename it to “combined battles” or sth similar

If you guys can spawn planes in GROUND realistic battles I want to spawn an IRIS-T in Air realistic battles

It is s combined arms game or not? Why not let me spawn AA in air mode then?

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1365

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Read the description, not just the title.

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1366

If I was Gaijins CEO I would introduce a no CAS GRB and steal WoT’s fan base .Simple.
A new Ferrari for Anton Yudintsev.

Just a quick scan of the internet shows us that most players of both games recognise WT is the better tank game if only were just a tank game.

Get rid of the CAS in a new GRB version and take the new fans and the money.

Leave the old GRB as it is ,no nerfing planes and everyone wins.Everyone except the clowns at WoT

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1367

Exactly
You are 100% correct

Im even thinking about going back to WoT from time to time… I simply don’t enjoy the “health bars” in WoT other than that I would totally go back to it

GHPC is in early access… once that game is done and good I will never play WarThunder ever again

Title: “Not a plane game”
Description: “In this game planes are stronger than everything else!”
Doesn’t make a lot of sense does it?

Didn’t the ground mode actually start as ground only mode at first?
At least thats how im remembering it and thats why I started playing WarThunder at all

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1368

Why should Gaijin’s CEO be bound to rules he made for his own game? The April fools games often have no CAS involvement. Arcade implements CAS in a totally different way to GRB, they are in may ways separate games. I dont touch Arcade. I dont play Naval.

I dont really do Sim.Each to their own version of the game so why be terrified of a new version?

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1369

There comes a time in business where you move forwards or die and its a hard decision.
I think so many of us can see the errors in this game and therefore know how to take what this game does and erase those errors and claim the title.
A big Japanese company could steal Gaijin’s crown by making a version that appeals to Japanese fans ,pink tanks ,anime pillows etc or Microsoft could make a European version with everything players desire.

WW2 only ,No CAS ,Era related maps and no BR system. Gaijin lose everything because they sat tight and rested on their laurels or they can invest and move and be the top game for the next 12 years. I do think its crunch time either way.

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1370

My 2 cents - as former WoT player of 10 years basically grew up with the game.

The final nail in the coffin for WoT was around 2022-23, releasing a monthly subscription called WoT+ with unfair Pay2Progress mechanics that spat in the face of those who even spent a good amount of money on the game.

Also massively bodging crew progression that people spent years grinding for. Imagine if your Ace crew becomes like a regular one and you pay GE to make it good again or face approx 7 years worth of XP grinding.

Believe it or not, even with the hugely unpopular Tier 8 Prems and removing half of low tier tanks it had a decent player base until the latest mega greedy update. You know your changes are bad when ALL the YouTubers and twitch streamers band together and make petitions with unanimous agreement. When a record number uninstall.

Unless the corporate side of Gaijin is willingly not going to learn from this disaster and act exceedingly greedy, there is no way they can have a monumental tragedy like that one. As unbalanced as the game is, deep down we still enjoy it and the player base is annoyed but not super oppressed by the way things are right now.

Edit: also much better mods, we are allowed to have threads like this one. For your pretty balanced comment about competition - you could very well be muted, warned or even banned. Especially as communication platforms became more draconian towards the end of the game’s lifecycle.

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This is the issue. WoT has famously cut it’s own throat and the question is has Gaijin done the same? I have seen a number of legendary franchises die overnight over the years as you may well have done yourself. Complacency is often the reason.

We can laugh at Goodbye posts on this forum but we know for every one player who is on this forum many hundreds are not and for every one player who announces they are leaving on the forum a hundred are leaving elsewhere and not announcing it.

Saying oh that is just your opinion when in reality the person is one of millions who share a belief like being a single member of a national political party.

Oh I don’t have a fan with a certain Forum Manager, that much I know already and many a good forum thread closed down : )

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And wht do you do with the CAS airplanes in the game? Remove them? CAS should not be removed but limited. As in how many airplanes can be at once in the air. How often they can spawn and how fast.

CAS has its palce in WT, thats what makes it stand out to other games. Thats why we have SPAA and SAM´s. With teh removal of CAS you create a inbalance again and two whole sub trees get usless.

All helicopters are out and all SPAA´s and SAM´s are out.

CAS also balances the tankgame, but instead of being a gimick it becomes the norm and if you dont CAS or your team is not CAS´ing you are doomed.
Its even more appreant in high tir. 5 Z19 or KA50/52 mix a few SU25 or even A10´s if your on the other side and good bye.

I say over work the camo and concleament, give more over head cover, like woods, bigger maps, make markers show only up depending on radio skill of airplane and tankers on ground spoting the target. Let any airplane start on the taxi way and replenish on deisgnet areas you have to taxi to so the turn around time gets slowed down. No airspawns. And yes much bigger maps as the higher you get in BR the faster and long range the weapons get. Its quite impossible to use your anti arm MG´s and HMG´s against loitering helicopters and jets. In early BR´s you can still destroy and demage CAS as it has to come at your directly and quite close. Many many things have to be done at once and there is no way to just use simply one singel trick. Limit the range based upon radio skill of tank crews and add a radio skill on airplanes so markers show up and when and how precise.

Heck how about cutting CAS out of the first 10 min´s of a ground game and the side that is loosing is getting more and more options to spawn more airplnes to balance things out? Once they cougth up the additional CAS units are revokte.

There are ways to make it fun and logical instead of just useing the slagdehammer.

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1373

Just REMOVE the DAMN cas already

It just makes this game miserable to play
I litterally unisntalled this game 10 times already because this unbalanced unfair cheating like garbage keeps killing me without anything I can do

You hop in a tank you can’t do anything

You hop in an AA 99% of them have no armor and can be killed by MGs

You hop into later radar guided AA the enemies SEES EXACTLY where you are because of your radar and you can’t see them becasue they are flying to high

It is OP and it is stupid

Just add a ground only mode and STOP this nonsens

wtf is wrong with this company that they dont implement something so simple my god

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Nah. Just move the runways back.

Runways right now are a ridiculous 5 km distance from B on maginot line, and not much variance beyond that on other maps, except maybe for Fields of poland and the like.

Runways should be ~15 km for up to BR 5.0. This should give a 15 km / 300 km/H = 3 minutes to RTB, 3 minutes to re-enter the battlefield with another 3x 1000 lbs bombs. If your small agile fighter only gets 1 bomb - well, we indirectly buffed ground attack planes like bf 110 and a-20 havoc and whatever other neglected attackers exist since they can carry more bombs. And we made SPAA life easier too.

~40 km for up to BR 7.3 (Spit Mk24 and P51H can hit very high speeds casually, so 30 km at 500 km/h will get us little under 4 minutes, but armament gets much bigger and planes can carry more of it over 5.0.

~whatever for jets that gets us a 3-4 minute flight time one way.

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That’s a bit far away, but they should be farther back. 15km in a stuka or some other rank I/II plane would be awful.

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So what if its awfull for some people? Let the moan and cry. If 15 km is to far to CAS then they dont deserve not to CAS. We cant have fairnes if every one is happy.

If the trade off is a littel wasted time for the pwoer to strike anyhwere at your whime its good trade off.
I mean camon, CAS is apsolutly over powerd in AB and RB. You get markers on the map, full lobys all the time, you are in third person no skill easy mode you get lead markers for bombs.
Depending on BR, you get markers for spotet tanks and so forth.

I write and speak from a sim perspective where you actualy got to work for your kill in CAS. If its a prop or Jet. I do play RB here and there and its comical. You get full intgeration of blueforces tracker and more. Stuff that is not yet full implement in real aircraft, fully or only partialy. And this in WW2. You fight on tiny maps where you know where the enemys are at all times, you even know here they materilize out of thin air. You dont got no backfrontline AA, no infatry shooting your airplane. Nothing to stop you or others. CAS has no drawbacks right now. Its is just simply the better option to get kills and keep the enemy away. Why shoot and be shoot back when you can dictate the engament. The cost should be time because its not effort.

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Easy balance: additional ground only mode

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Hm, maybe 1:30 minute flight time for planes between 1- 3 BR? Their armament is light enough that multiple rearms seems balanced. Not a lot of very maneuverable heavy fighters with 3x1000 lbs down there.

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Can you not come into an RB thread and trash on RB, please and thank you.

Also, you only get friendly markers in RB, and CAS is different in RB and AB.

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Try learning to read .The GRB as it is stays the same and a No planes option added.

So we are in big toruble on those games where thereis no CAS right? …no wrong.The game does not grind to a halt when nobody has the points for a plane.

Still so many hate planes.

No reason to destroy CAS as it is ,if it is as great as you say then why attack CAS and CAS use by nerfing it ? Leave it as it is and make a No CAS GRB

Nice arguments ,not one actually valid.Thanks for that

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Question. Can to Otomatic lock on and shoot down AGM/bombs/missiles? Hoping someone can test it out. A lot of HE-VT rounds were updated to where it now detects shells/bombs/rockets/missiles and so on. If that’s the case, now SPAA like the Otomatic can destroy incoming threats.
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