If you didn’t like my analysis with the guilty protected, you’d really hate the YouTube videos I’ve been creating with names shown based off of the skills of these great spawn camping players! I’m building an entire series with just the kinds of practices being demonstrated by players in this game. I’m also going to make a montage of people spawning and being blown up with their “Skilled” killers in the background. NEAT HUH! I’d be playing in tank battles but I still have to map my controls to my new A-6E.
Well perhaps you can enlighten the the unskilled amongst us.
How would you drive away from a spawn while being bombed? I use the “W” key but I’m new so perhaps with your greatly enhanced skills you can provide us with a much better way to outrun planes and bombs as you try to flee the spawn area?
Accept it, the game is for planes only. Have you noticed on tank maps, the ridiculous number of AI SPAA surrounding the player airfield to protect against airfield spawn camping. Why the amazing lack of the same spawn defenses around the tank spawn areas? That’s because if they put AI defenses around tank spawns, spawn campers couldn’t get any kills.
Your initial post was all doom and gloom and dismissive. I returned the favour. Whether I liked it or not is not relevant (I would say it didn’t do anything for me either way)
If aircraft were up and no credible defence had been supplied by my team I would not be moving from ground spawn. I would be adapting to said battle (all those micro decisions) and attempt to remove said threat. Hint: personally don’t use SPAA for air, but game has this easy option to stop CAS and still mainly play the ground game. It’s all in the skill of adapting, yes most players are probably unable to.
Oddly I’ve spawned thousands of times, the being bombed/attacked on spawn part I seem to avoid. Maybe the enemy just like me and choose not to attack? Who knows?!
Yeah, my many more hours in ground vehicles than anything else and acceptable returns must have been before planes existed.
Thanks for your proactive addition to this thread xx
hehe thats one way of dealing with them. I get the same results using M16 SPAA though, which is what im used to anyways. But I agree, CAS wouldn’t be a huge threat if the team supported this way too.
The inherent flaw with SPAA is that you can’t quite intercept aircraft before they drop stuff on your team, with a fighter you can.
I see a lot of people not prepared for the inevitable top tier ground situation of aircraft easily outranging any SPAA in any nation. Aircraft will be the only viable counter to other aircraft eventually.
I just use SPAA to cap (Bosvark 20 miles ahead of the team is funny if roads allow, got mine pimped and camoed for extreme prejudice), CAP to de-CAS. Plus if you find a light tank on the cap chances are a good ROF SPAA can put them out of action. This has been a method up to where I tailed off (7.7/8.0ish - too many nations as I spade all and burned out). I can imagine Top Tiers and the advancement of systems takes the mode away from what WT achieved in earlier war years. So one must adapt or face the consequences (often not a persons fault but a collective)
But how reliably can you do that? Even if I’m alone, the only times someone will slip by me is if there’s two of them and I think I can’t take both of them on, or if they just suicide dive at the battlefield.
Outside of that, the battlefield will remain enemy-CAS-free.
And even if I got shot down, I might have forced them to drop their bombs early and outside of the battlefield so they can have a chance at fighting me, and that is a very good outcome too.
I have recorded videos and so far seems pretty reliable to me. I shared them already on other another main CAS thread but its far within the 3k posts that will take forever to find. Literally just have to find the good spots or stay with your team and not in spawn, learn a specific SPAA you feel comfortable in to learn the shells velocity and know how to lead with it etc…
As someone who has CAS in every loadout and spawns CAS every chance I get: honestly, at least until Rank 5 when jets start rolling up, I think removing the air spawn would prevent the most toxic part of CAS: revenge bombing. Unless of course the recipient of the bomb is camping, but camping is also toxic so it balances out.
I’m also for having SPAA be able to replenish ammo at spawn.
Those aircraft are still making it to the battlefield, that’s the problem. With a fighter, they aren’t even making it that far. Pe8s and Lancasters, even when flying high and outside of SPAA range (for most players anyway), aren’t safe either.
You can argue that Spawn camping is toxic, but even then i would argue that if the team lets them get in position to spawn camp (not watching flanks, getting overrun, etc) that the spawn campees deserve it.
Revenge Bombing is completely toxic. and a cowardly scum move.
Last time I heard them say: “hehe we just wanna quickly get back on the tanks to help our team bro that’s why we crashes, no need to waste time rearming”
You know initially I thought I was providing useful insights from the perspective of a new player. Sometimes I forget the times we live in, lol. The community is absolutely in love with spawn camping and killing tanks with planes, I know that now. No one wants to hear anything negative about their favorite way to earn RP! What was I thinking? Even the other YouTube cannels call tank kills in planes “Free RP” and when I noticed the Airbases on tank maps have an AMAZING amount of anti-air defense while the tanks had none, I realized I was missing the point of this game, its not tank vs tank battle its tank target for planes. Planes are defended from spawn camping. Tanks are not. Says it all. I even tested some of this. I tried to drive to the airbase but the game considered it leaving the map to drive there and taking another aircraft there is not a good idea for most pilots in the Tank arenas, lol, its not like attacking freshly spawned tanks.
If you can’t beat’em, join’em or take all that money and leave. So rather than fight it, I said, “Screw the requests not to buy top tier till I was at that level” and I bought Click Bait and an A-6E and I spend my days now behind my Warthog controls and Pendular peddles learning the air to ground systems in test drive and custom missions. See I agree with you, you’re so amazing!
I’m with you, if a tank driver can’t get out of the way, GREAT, more free RP for me. And the video content for my channel is AMAZING!
I just do the tank junk now for video content to edit. I just finished a battle where I had to respawn in a T14 with a turret rotation speed of 16.9 degrees. 2 SPAAs where at the spawn already fighting 4 aircraft. The planes were alternating their dives from all directions so it seemed like there were so many planes coming at us. I couldn’t turn my turret fast enough to keep up and get any shots off. ALL SPAAs died while I managed to survive but only because I was a heavy and the pilots sucked that bad at bombing. As I tried to drive away from the spawn I was shot by a tank spawn camping. Do you have any idea how amazing that will be for my channel demonstrating what new players will face in WT. Its absolutely amazing and with all the planes swarming everywhere, it’ll attract a ton of attention on my my channel. I mean really, it looked like Tora Tora! Amazing stuff!
I love it
By the way, the Warthog throttle works for normal aircraft but Apache collective gets all messed up with it. Reports on the forums and reddit all say its been a bug for more than a year. The A-6E targeting systems lose lock when switching from targeting view to 3rd person view, reddit also says that’s been broken for over a year, the TrackIR for flying views completely conflicts with the targeting views of the apache and the A-6E which reddit also says has been a bug forever and you can only work around by mapping a butted to deactivate TrackIR when you want to activate Targeting view. Before I add it to the list bugs I’ve encountered I thought I’d ask the community if any new solutions have been found?
PercussionCap & JuicyKuuuuki, thanks for your kind advice.
Percussion, its amazing how far a little honest acknowledgment goes isn’t it. I’m a 40 year gamer (Started on the Radio Shack Color Computer). I don’t roll over and cry when someone upsets my cornflakes! I get off my butt and fight back! All I have to loose is pixels.
That score list is an absolute testament to how many planes are in tank battles. If you hadn’t said so I would have thought that was from an air match and not a tank match.
Yes I have absolutely done exactly what you suggest. In arcade I’m good at it but I need to play realistic (I naturally sneak around which can be really dumb in arcade). I’m grinding my US tree as my first full tree and only have the M42 as my highest SPAA. I’m currently grinding the M163 but that’s 7.7 and my highest lineup is barely 7.0. As I was dying in my SPAA one day I realized I was not using any of the tanks in my lineup because I was too busy defending myself and others on my team in my SPAA. So it dawned on me, what’s the point of the tanks? I either die to planes or spend my times trying to kill planes from the ground. fighting tanks is irrelevant and using an SPAA really just joins the air battle. Why not just call a spaded airplane a spaded airplane!
As I began searching the net for answers, I was told to group up in a squad. First squad I was in had amazingly nice guys but they played Helldivers more than WT. A very old friend invited me to his squad. I’ve never head from anyone except my old level 100 friend since joining and he suggested I play Arcade for a while to get more experience before grouping with anyone. I just unlocked my first Rank V vehicle so I guess I’m too noob, besides, grouping with a level 100 and following them around sucking off the “Team Kill” tit isn’t the way to improve. Its not about leveling up its about skilling up. Anyway I digress. That being said, dying in slow tanks immediately after spawning isn’t very helpful either.
I started to notice several Youtube channels referring to tank kills in planes as “Free RP” and when you think about it it makes sense. WT has always been an air based game. When I noticed the airfields had heavy AI defenses but the tank spawns had none, that confirmed it. The big problem now was that after decades of playing Air war games from the mid 80’s on, I came here to do tanks and hadn’t put any time into air. Now I had to abandon tanks (except for my channel content) and learn planes and if you’ve been around a while you know every sim is entirely different.
So now I turn the negative into a positive for me. Turns out you can rename the replays so labeling the ones with really extreme and blatant spawn killing is really easy and there is SO MUCH CONTENT! I’m by no means poor so I subscribe to the entire collection of Adobe tools so I use Nvida shadow to copy the videos and Adobe Premier Pro to do Post production work and over-dubs on them. Some of these videos are ridiculously amazing. Can’t wait till I start uploading and publishing.
It was funny the other day. My old level 100 friend sent me a screen shot of a tank camping a spawn and had written on it, “9.7 match” and add a text below it telling me to enjoy my easy times while they last, serious campers await me when I get to upper tier. It was so funny when I showed him some of the info I had collected from Rank 4.
