You complain about how CAS operates on a specific map, I say that instead of complaining about CAS you should complain about the map. What there is confusing?
youre responding to argument no one made. what was said, and i quote:
You are now redefining cover as concealment after the fact. Rocks and buildings are not examples of mere concealment, they are hard cover. They can physically block damage. You cannot redefine cover as concealment after citing rocks and buildings as examples. Trees are concealment. Buildings and rocks are often hard cover because they physically stop weapons.
so you agree with me? weird.
you are treating a representative example of a broader capability as if it were a unique outlier. Gepard capabilities are not unique at that BR range.
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I can only think of one map but I don’t remember the name of it but it has the mall right next to B.
And it severely limits your ability to engage other tanks.
I’m going to reveal somethings very troubling to you that you have never heard of, which makes all your arguments, empty.
Ready?
FPV drones, scouting, sense of hearing, normal targeting pods and pods with thermal sight, TV guided and IR guided missiles and bombs.
How exactly do you hide from all these?
The drone sees you and scouts you, light tanks scout you, any tank can hear your engine noise and mark your position on the minimap for their cas friend to rain hell on, your position is compromised very reliably and easily by pilots looking through their targeting pods while flying above the entire map, let alone the ones with thermal sight and the missiles and bombs are the same as mentioned pods.
Therefore you are REVEALED to cas and there is actually NOTHING you can do about all of these. These things are out of your control.
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I agree that CAS shouldn’t see scout markers except against SPAA.
Planes can’t hear tanks unless very close.
Targeting pods are only useful atlong range, which goes against the earlier argument of CAS being able to simply maneuver around buildings and cover to see tanks.
Minimap marks rarely summon CAS from my experience.
Imo it’s very fair for CAS to bomb someone who was marked by a map marker.
Doomer mentality will never help you.
You keep changing the claim from ‘cover against tanks’ to ‘cover against everything.’ That is not how cover works.
Then you quite literally admit to being misleading. On top of being wrong, as buildings and rocks are often hard cover as they physically stop weapons.
You are moving between two different claims.
is not the same as
The point was that you have argued that SPAA vehicles are oppressive, specifically the Gepard family. Your own clarification confirms that. As such, you have also come to the forums to argue that certain mechanics/vehicles are problematic. Which makes this reponse
straight irony, since you are dismissing any argument about CAS as ‘whining about CAS’ because people consider it a problematic mechanic, while you have done the exact same thing regarding vehicles such as Gepard and its clones.
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Did I even mention planes hearing you? Read the damn essay I wrote.
No, we all agree that not according to a blind man like you, targeting pods are very useful so stop making things up. Pods are very good you seriously have to stop saying non-sense.
There is a Request for air backup message in the T menu. Again, STOP MAKING THINGS UP.
Oh you deserve to get bombed 5 seconds after you leave spawn, every time.
Being delusional has not helped you at all lemme tell you.
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History repeating itself lol
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Honestly, at this point. The only rebalance I can think of is allowing SPAA to scout air targets to even the tank scouting playing field and increase the map sizes/spawn area for high mid to top tier. Everything low to mid tiers are fine as is in terms of map sizes.
My previous wishlists like SP changes, loadout costs and many others…etc… have already been implemented and seems balanced out to me.
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If you’re out in the open you’re not covered. That’s all there is to it.
I was not being misleading. I stated many times that buildings and rocks can stop CAS from seeing you. If you got the impression that that means buildings and rocks should make you invincible to CAS then that’s error on your end.
False. I’ve held to the same claim that calling one particular vehicle OP (e.g Hetzer) does not mean I think every vehicle in that class (Tank Destroyers) are OP.
That is very hypcocritical of you to say. You’re complaining about CAS as a whole, and giving the impression that you think all CAS regardless of BR is OP.
I am complaining about a very specific vehicle which is already considered OP by most players.
I can 100% dismiss most of your arguments as just whining.
They can already do that though . . .
Yes and no, not in the same way scouting mechanic works. What im wishlisting is to be the exact same way instead. Its a wishlist so Gaijin dont gotta add it, just what i personally prefer to better the SPAA gameplay of it.
I honestly suggest to just ban CAS players
No, just let them have their game mode and give us what we want, a tank only mode. TO
Everyone should get what they want. This is the best way to deal with this issue.
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But as long as gaijin thinks that it’s the case, we don’t get what we want.
Maybe it’s not like that, and even so, there are lots of players who enjoy cas like myself.
But there should be a limit, there should be a way out of a bad situation.
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Of course I’m just joking, maybe, but yeah… i always said that we needed a TO mode… no watch “him” cry hiw then combined arms will die
Alaska (depends on the caps) and Sun City can offer adequate cover vs CAS.
But those are the exception and not the rule.
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Curious if anyone ever suggested a TO disguised with a different name (Tank Road Rage/Armored Wrath/ Armor Supremacy, Ground Supremacy) for just the weekends instead of a permanent one. Battle Royal back in 2017 (Tank only matches) sucked but it wasnt a real TO mode either with map shrinking as time passes and 1 life. That will probably demolish the queue time issue, player count issues. Though it can slightly devide the playerbase and players will start demanding to add it permanantly which i can already see within a week or 2 non stop.
Personally, Im not a person that would reward a kid with some candy to keep them quiet only for them to cry again for more later.
Take a wild guess why people are asking for TO…
Give the people what they want.
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oh i know why lol However, im one of those that will just tell them to suck it up and use a SPAA or play the game how it was designed to be played rather crying about it. I rarely get bombed by CAS, i shoot them down more than i get bombed if anything while also tanking. I rarely do CAS/CAP.