So we introduce a new gamemode where a specific class of tanks called Anti-air is used in a gamemode where air doesn’t exist. Making a new game mode just to get rid of planes and helis while also making most SPAAs useless because their main job is now gone when we can just remove all 3 of these seems a little redundant right?
SPAA and aircraft can still play GRB and arcade.
they will just be useless for this specific gamemode.
is air RB redundant?
is it unfair that tanks cant be used in air RB?
probably not
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So we make that new gamemode, doesn’t GRB seem redundant if so many asked for removal of planes? Are we going to keep the old gamemode just so a select few get to continue use SPAA, planes and helis? Also for the tanks in ARB point, it literally says Air realistic battles. Don’t need to say more do I? I also made the point if the mode is called Ground realistic battles, SPAAs are redundant because there is only ground and ground only.
But Grb is literally called ground realistic battles not air rb with extra steps 🤣
No one’s removing anything with tank only it would be a choice the current mode stays the same but people have the option to play a tank only mode minus aircraft and helis if they want to
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I’m completely aware but you do know you’re just creating an option where one class is useless except in very niche circumstances and then have a schism in the ground gamemode with 2 factions because you’re catering to one specific playerbase and leaving the other alone just so this one class of tanks stays in the game with little purpose when you can go remove SPAA, planes and helis and everyone is happy.
How when it can still be used in the normal mode which remains unchanged?
Tank Only is literally that no heli’s, no Air just ground vehicles wheeled and tracked light, heavy and medium.
Why would anti air systems be needed in that mode if there is no air but air is still available in the current unchanged original ground mode?
You play one or you choose to play the other. It’s a choice nothing is removed, nothing changes with existing modes people gain an additional gamemode to play.
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Again, you have this large playerbase that doesn’t want to play no CAS and you have another smaller playerbase who wants to play with CAS. Do you think they will want to make another server, another gamemode when you can remove all 3 and be done with it? You’re asking to complicate servers just to accommodate the larger playerbase and leave the smaller ones to their own devices which may or may not die out which then leaves the new main gamemode of ground only alive which features 0 planes 0 helis for SPAAs to shoot at.
yes, GRB would be redundant for most players.
but as others always say, CAS and SPAA are still a big part of GRB currently, so you cant just casually delete them from the game.
but that doesnt mean tank-only would be redundant
then you can say that about GRB as well
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🤷 not my problem I just want the choice but the player base is absolutely large enough to adjust to a new choice.
If the numbers were small akin to say the dcs online community which tops out at about 5k players I wouldn’t want it, But the last I looked warthunder is pushing 100k players + the 5 naval players on a daily basis for the majority of a 24hour span.
I know some people struggle with what to choose for breakfast daily but struggling to choose is better than having no choice at all which is the current case.
Which you said only a small part of the community will play which means this big part only affects the small community. Is that worth justifying the need for separate servers, separate playerbase and separate balancing.
Again, we’re going in circles with this. I said, if GRB was GRB then only ground, no SPAA, planes or helis. This point I’ve addressed already again and again.
Yeah ill agree with you on the choice, but in my opinion, I wouldn’t be surprised with the outcome which I think is the no CAS at all. But we know Gaijin doesn’t care even when we all just asked for the removal of CAS from GRB. I’m just saying, the CAS issue has a lot of factors and SPAA overshadows CAS itself in my opinion on the matter. Removing this massive tumor in the system would probably fix most of the issues.
There are too many players invested with CAS resources. Not a chance GRB will disappear.
Those players might have a more difficult time because if EVERYONE wants to go up in the air there will be fewer ground targets to feed on. But I won’t have much sympathy there.
Only real downside is each mode will have a longer queue time than GRB currently has. I’m willing to put up with that, and I’m sure many of those that want TO will agree.
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You may be fine with longer queue times but I’m not fine with it, same goes for many who will inevitably face severe matchmaking issues because mainly if you want CAS, it’ll be Russia which means itll be very skewered and you’ll probably get more mixed battles and also the upkeep just to have another server for this mode. Again this is a lose lose situation. There will be a loss somewhere and SPAAs are the easiest one to get rid of but again, polling would be better to determine this.
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Soo losing pilots is loose loose, but losing ground players (and potential new players from WOT) okay?
Strange for me.
Best solution would be event, for 1-2 week to see activities on TO and regular servers, how many players will play regularly TO and how many GB with CAS. Maybe we loosing more ground players (and potential money spends) then pilots.
We just need small experiment to see situation clearly, but… Gaijin doesn’t care about players and game itself we all agree about it.
yes, unfortunately players already spent a lot of time and money to grind SPAA and CAS, and there will still be a few thousand players who will want to play mixed battles.
its impossible (and stupid) to remove this outright.
balancing will hardly be separate, tank vs tank stays the same in both modes.
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Gajin just doesn’t care about TO cause it’s a niche and unprofitable portion of the community.
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Once again as my Chieftain is overpressured by a single 30mm HEI hitting the corner of the UFP from a Pantsir - broken overpressure and SPAA v tanks is a bigger problem than CAS can ever currently be.
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Are you sure it was Pantir instead Gepard?
Was Pantsir but Gepard would do the same.
Sounds like the usual Gaijin logic
Lets ignore and neglect this part of the game, make it not fun, not rewarding and frustrating to play where it becomes niche.
Oh would you look at that, it’s a niche so we won’t do anything since it’s not profitable.
Bombers, tanks, Sim, arcade, naval. if you let these things run into the ground it will become niche, if you actually cultivate it and put in actual effort and listen to the players that want to play it, it wouldn’t be niche, as if players who want to play a tank v tank thing without being blown up from a pixel 10km away is a niche thing.
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