It also gives you a single instance of location with altitude and heading shown which is much worse than what you have with tank scouting, where they get marked on the map and location is updated on it’s own for dozens of seconds.
Making this change would be better for the pilots as they wouldn’t get scouted without LoS anymore and it would take effort to locate them first.
There were a few comments very long ago, but I haven’t heard anything recently and I certainly do not suggest people stop lobbying for it.
Oh, no argument here. I think the only “fix” is a GV only game mode. Everything else is a bandaid at best.
What does tanl scouting have to do with this? SPAA shouldn’t have plane scouting, especially not better tank scouting.
AA definitely should be able to scout planes in a similar fashion as tanks can be, but with T-6-1 removed alongside.
You should also get reduced SP costs for all ground vehicles if your scouted target gets killed.
I think we should :P
Very goofy suggestion. I hope you see why Gajin ignores CAS haters.
because CAS forces players to spend money to grind. thats why
Not exactly ignore. just taking their sweet time with it. There are multiple features that were added into WT over the years that helps SPAA to face CAS and some which I wish listed before.
Other suggestions or wish-lists are yet to be added:
Could have missed a lot or a few but so far a lot has been done to make it smoother for a SPAA to do things. For the experienced SPAA players that is. CAS has always had more advantages and will always have more available advantages when played correctly.
Don’t know if this actually helps SPAA. It doesn’t really do anything but slightly inconvenience the pilot for a little moment. If anything, airfield spawns are arguably better for good CAS players.
Not sure how this would work, considering you can just Air Alert from the drone. The scout ping for ground targets update slow and aren’t too accurate.
Only if they fix the multitude of issues surrounding drones and scouting.
Probably the easier/better option is to expand the air alert functionality to also include a last known position marker for the map and radar screen. That way everyone would benefit from the improved communication.
Maybe, but the idea is that SPAA is very reactive. No CAS, you basically sit AFK. So why spawn the SPAA to begin with? Then when CAS does spawn, there is no SPAA.
This is why I rather like SPAA such as the Stormer HVM because there is always something to do besides SPAA.
Scout drones and expanding what SPAA can scout is a good starting point for consideration.
I did also wonder if the new multi-vehicle SPAA could include an IFV, not an overally strong one (like perhaps a deliberately lower BR IFV), and it would naturally increase the SP cost if selected (so make it an optional thing like a loadout option), but would give you something to defend yourself with on the smaller maps and something to do when there is no CAS.
TWS added. Not to familiar how radar things work but this a buff right?
SPAA and CAS udpates are an infinite back and forth so that everyone is eventually forced to spend money to grind either SPAA or CAS because one will always be more OP.
at some point theyll release new CAS more powerful than the best SAM
110%. I’m all for it, but scout drones tank HE-VT and missiles, allow for you to scout people from across the map and through any and all terrain. I’m all for it, when drones act somewhat realistically.
I like it but I don’t think its realistic when we talk about Gaijin. They had the opportunity to give SAM AA some type of fighting chance, and haven’t. Of course with the introduction of multi-vehicle systems, the possibility of switching between vehicles is there, but would Gaijin make it so you can spawn an entirely different vehicle of another class?
Bingo. Got amazing multi-vehicle systems, only for the problem child (Kh-38) to be able to blind fire. New strategy is to just pop up, get fired at by CAS, hide/evade and fire them out of range. Too fast to intercept all of them without being destroyed.
Not really a new strategy, always been done against a Pantsir. Just more players are doing it since another nation besides Russia got a functional SAM. If they didn’t face Russia, they had a easier time climbing with no one to contest them.
Yep, and that was 1/2 of the SPAA vs CAS problem. Soviets had the only viable SPAA whislt also having the strongest CAS.
I dont necessarily think that CAS vs SPAA is unbalanced, but rather for it to be belanced you need the right nation vs right nation.
If all 10 nations had an IRIS-T SLM and all 10 nations had KH-38MT it would be reasonably balanced.
But you have Otomatic vs IRIS-T SLM and you have Brimstone vs KH-38MT.
but then how else would gaijin force players to spend lifesavings on grinding out yet another vehicle tree
Are you saying that you don’t like a well placed frying pan on top of your commander’s head? There are at least 38 reasons why this should remain in place. You can do the same so can any other player.
Removing CAS from GRB would not be the solution.
If removed, a lot of strike aircraft would become unsuitable for the game due to them not being competitive for ARB.
Although, some nations (RUSSIA OFCOURSE) got something waaay better than every other nation ingame - the KH38, if CAS were to be an option for GRB, i think every nation should have something of equal power, instead of one nation, MOSTLY RUSSIA, getting the more powerfull stuff.
Another thing, the maps are incredibly tiny.
All maps are CQC, which makes it easier to find targets. The only nation currently benefiting the CQC maps is Russia. Other nations don’t get the fake armour statistics that Russia gets with it’s supposedly existing ERA.
Gaijin should make the maps bigger and not remove flanks like they have done over the years. Making maps like Pradesh and Red Deserts more prevalent would be a good start because people have to really search for the enemies.
About “Revenge Killers”:
Don’t get me wrong, CAS is a part of the game, if you don’t want to get killed by my bomb or rocket, you shouldn’t have killed my tank in the first place, especially not when hiding on a strategic position.
If a tank is on a strategic position IRL, there will also be an airstrike or artillery strike be called on them - it’s just realistic, what YOU but also more people want.
If you don’t like the fact that you get killed by an airstrike, then also don’t complain about other factors like the R2Y2, koelian, and other “fake” vehicles, because Airstrikes and Artillery strikes are a realistic part of combat.