Here’s a more accurate comparison:
SPAA can be killed by:
Planes (if they try to shoot the plane)
Planes can be killed by
Other planes (at any time)
IFVs (if they try to perform CAS duties)
SPAA (if they try to perform CAS duties)
Unrenderred props (if they try to perform CAS duties)
The difference is, planes are always at risk if they perform CAS, and SPAA are sometimes at risk if they perform AA.
… Did you forget tanks exist on the battlefield?
And again, the vulnerability to SPAA is a very, very, very tiny window.
How tiny?
During the D-day event, I loitered at 1 km altitude for better visibility in my P-51-D-5. In RB, you can do it from a higher altitude because hit markers tell you where tanks are, and scouting exists and maps are much, much smaller.
All I had was smoke and gunflash to go by.
At 0:38 I began my dive turn maintaining 1km altitude, 400 km/h TAS.
At 0:45 I released my bomb and pulled out of the dive. Altitude was 500m RALT at a very high dive angle.
By 0:50 I was out of any potential SPAA’s range (I was flying over the little town/beach) unless they were hiding in the line of egress I was making.
Those aren’t as issue for SPAA on 90% of maps.
Yes, they are.
Unless SPAA sits in spawn, they’re getting torn up by .50 cals, by HE shells and rarely even solid AP.
Also notice the dive angle in the screenshot and all the tracers flying around.
If you’re exposing yourself to enemy tanks then that’s your problem.
How are you going to be within gunrange to protect your teammates if you do not accompany them and stay in spawn?
It depends on the map. Just stay behind your teammates if they’re winning, and if you’re losing, all CAS will be at your spawn, so just find a good place near spawn.
Don’t you just love CAS mains arguing skill issue when SPAA stays in spawn but at the same time say that tanks are not a threat to SPAA unless you leave spawn. Make up your damn mind.
No1s saying stay in spawn. Youre just making straw man arguments to argument cause you can’t argue with the real points being made.
Not rly the moment u shoot ppl spot u easily and its just a matter if time before u get strafed an again imo gun spaa is way harder then bombing
Even if u take 100kg bombs its still easier
Also i didnt saw a low tier spaa on ur acoount that have positive kd ratio
(Maybe the stats are wrong it happend before)
Not exactly, it’s far more riskier if the SPAA player fires and misses everything or fires from far distance, will lose the element of surprise which is the majority of the players been doing. After that, the SPAA becomes the target.
God you are just like warrior in that other thread. I will just stop following both threads since nothing constructive happensa anyway and it’s just cas mains vs cas haters hurling insults at eachother.
I use my M19A1 as an IFV, so it makes sense I don’t have as many air kills as ground kills.
I’ll often times intentionally bait CAS over by shooting in random directions away from them, to make em think I’m distracted and it works as often as they try to kill me.
Losing the element of surprise doesn’t matter if you kill the CAS faster than they kill you, especially when you can move somewhere else.
You mean the guy who was desperately trying to explain to a CAS hater why he couldn’t filter statistics that didn’t have filters for what the CAS hater wanted to filter?
Sure but u have other spaa with positive kd?
Any gun spaa?
U must agree that its questionable when u say smt like this without having positive kd on them
I generally don’t play SPAA that can’t kill tanks cuz they’re a waste of my time, and all my teammate’s time. Even with SAMs I’ll try to cap points and scout if there’s no air targets in the first 5 minutes of playing.
This is one of the few Chapparal games with more than 1 or 2 enemy planes (spawning planes is rare at 9.0 cuz SPAA is OP). I spent the entire game afk on my phone, was NEVER at risk of dying, and still got 4 kills without even needing to aim cuz the SAMs did all the work.
Chapparal isnt a gun spaa dude
I agree early sams like the chaparral or ozelot are amazing but we are talking on low tier spaa like 7.0 and below
Also u are negative in the chapparal too so its not a good exmple
SAM is pretty much the only SPAA I use that can’t kill tanks. As far as low tier, I mainly use Ostwind, Btr 152, Crusader AA Mk.1, AMX-13 DCA 40, M19A1/M42, and Italian M42. I honestly won’t even bother with things like the M45 quad mount.
Yea sry bud ur stats does not back up ur claims
U cant say gun spaa are op and goes negative on them
Why are CAS haters just incapable of comprehending the idea that using an SPAA to kill tanks (instead of planes), and having a positive K/D against tanks, but not planes, doesn’t mean the vehicle is bad at fighting planes?
I almost always shoot down every plane I see when in M19A1, however there’s more enemy tanks than there’s enemy planes.
First of all im not a cas hater im not saying things should change in the low tiers but ur saying it so ez to get air kills when u have negative air kd in all of ur spaas on them
If its so strong like ur saying u should be able to hold positive kd in both tanks and planes cuz u have so many targets
I rly dout u take down every plane in sight with this numbers
