in practice it really isn’t, since your kit is so oppressive and your low speed thrust excellent, you never feel in my (limited, so far) experience. You can also save the boosters for that extra punch if you’re vertical for a hail mary shot so it’s actually fairly quick.
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This should not effect BR. It does not change the player experience in anyway regarding pvp.
Wiki is of course wrong, resp not accurate. Even though some sources call the Mirage Milan a “tactical support aircraft”, that doesn’t mean it was a dedicated strike platform. In the Cold War context, tactical support referred to multirole fighters with some air-to-ground capability, not pure bombers. The Milan was fundamentally a Mirage III derivative with canards designed to improve maneuverability and air combat performance, so its battle rating should reflect its fighter role, not treat it as a ground-attack aircraft.
That’s a just an arbritrary in-game classification, not saying anything about how the Milan plays or what its role is.
if anything, that classification should be changed, and it would be best if that wholye classification system would be completely reworked, as it’s very inhomogeneous, unrealistic and only confuses people…
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Seriously?!?
The Milan was specifically designed as an attack version of the Mirage for the Swiss evaluation of a new attack aircraft. The Milan was one of the two final contenders of that evaluation, and lost to the A-7 Corsair II - which was then also not purchased because of political reasons.
It’s not just wiki, it’s every single source and information on that aircraft that says the same.
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That’s not really the point. As a ground-attack aircraft in Air RB, it’s practically useless — the matchmaking constantly puts it into uptiers where it gets shot down before dropping its bombs, or forces it to fly halfway around the map. The only viable way to play it is as a fighter, which is also its primary desiginated role in the game, and its BR should reflect that.
Once again
Thats a general issue with attackers in high tier Air RB. This aircraft class is much more suited for Sim EC.
See also Corsair II, Tornado, F-111, Buccaneer, they all face similar issues in Air RB.
No, that was not the primary reason for the Moustaches: They were designed to improve handling especially at low speeds during take off and landing, with the higher weapons load of this attacker. They also improved maneuverability at slow speeds somewhat, but they were (contrary to the “real” canards of the Mirage IIIS C.70 KAWEST 85) not designed with air combat in mind.
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That’s not entirely accurate. While the Milan featured modifications like retractable canards to enhance low-speed handling and reduce takeoff distance, these changes were aimed at improving overall flight characteristics, not specifically to convert it into a dedicated ground-attack aircraft. Its primary design intent remained as an air-to-air fighter, and its battle rating should reflect that role.
As always decompression would be a dream come true.
Milan is a strike fighter at worst and with The Six at 9.3 it would indeed be reasonable to have it placed at 9.7.
Of course what is and isn’t reasonable does not necessarily matter.
The only reason F-106 is 9.3 instead of 9.7 is the lackluster AIM-4 Performance.
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Can you explain to me why the Swiss would have considered to purchase the Milan as a fighter? Without Radar?
Note that at the time of the Corsair/Milan evaluation we already operated the IIIS as fighter/interceptor and the IIIRS as recce…
The BR should reflect the role, yes, but the “role” in WT Wiki is misleading and wrong.
Keep in mind that strike fighters also did air to air. Combat air patrol at the very least.
No matter if it is a F-15E or a Milan.
Just as an aside did the Corsair truly win?
I thought it was more of a draw and Switzefland did not want to allocate any money to either.
The American A-7G Corsair II (as the Swiss variant would have been called) won the evaluation by quite a large margin, but political decisions led to the cancellation of the purchase of the 60 aircraft, resulting in one of the biggest procurement scandals of the Swiss Army ever - the largest after the Mirage-Scandal and the current F-35-Scandal.
(I recently had found a great document about the whole evaluation, but can’t seem to find it anymore. It described a lot of details of the flight test programs and their outcome. Hopefully I find it again…)
skill issue,… you’re not forced to go straight to bases and get killed by zombiing to them.
Source?! “trust me bro”
Dassault websites specifically says that the mustaches are made to allow steep banking for landing approach, as it gives a reduced takeoff distances.
most airbase in switzerland are sets in moutainous conditions:
Crosswinds and other environnemental hazards occurs into such mountainous regions, thus requiring a better handling to not crash in it, especially for landing.
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Haha, and that’s a modern map!
We used to have quite a few more, and some of the especially “juicy” ones are not even on above map anymore…
(Btw, what pains me about this map is that Buochs is missing…)
i think this map isn’t complete either, because it’s google map one,… many army bases are missing accross the world (apart russian ones)
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@Schindibee correct me if im wrong, arent you actually Swiss and helped to restore some Swiss aircrafts for museum? I recall you posting a video where you were seen helping with restoring swiss sidewinder.
So between some random noname on forums and actually swiss guy, im gonna believe the swiss guy.
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Haha, thank you!
Yes, I was for several years secretary on the board of Mirage Verein Buochs, a club that owns a (still running but not flying) Mirage IIIRS (the one I did a semihistorical skin for the Milan for) and a IIIS.
I grew up practically ON Buochs air base, which was where the competence centre for the Mirages was. So I know quite a few pilots and technicians and other specialists and Mirage book authors and have family that worked a lot for or around those aircraft. Thanks to my connections to those people I have also been able to provide WT devs with manuals on e.g. the Mirage IIIS, for example.
Yes, I also stubbornly believe my sources a bit more. ;-)
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