Well yeah I don’t know which one you are playing. I have not had any real damage issues with that gun. Sure sometimes a shell does not do what you would expect it to but 95% of the time it just nukes whatever you shoot
Yeah, both the Russian 85 and US 76 have to go for the cupola. Possible, but a far harder shot.
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but muh APHE OP
Destroying the transmission while killing the gunner and commander through the turret be like:
APHE is wildly OP for what it is man. It’s a massive crutch round
For Xth time.
No one denies APHE does lot of damage.
But tanks that dont have APHE more often than not have some sort of compensation to overcome lack of APHE, be it autoloader, stab, or other things that are not directly tied to the damage.
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It depends largely on the BR bracket though to be fair.
some BR brackets 85 -100 APHE is king even VS stuff with some form of solid shot.
British APDS for example is cheeks , the panther or T34 -85 will be far more reliable than the comparable british solid shot, though on M26 the APCR does very little post pen wise but is wayy more reliable than the APHE, though has about teh same angle pen.
So it’s not all sunshine and rainbows
Agreed for some of them, especially the autoloaders ones, that’s a fair tradeoff for lack of power.
However, take the Foch, Conqueror, ARL 44 and so on, these have absolutely no tradeoffs. Like what’s the point of playing the ARL 44 when i can play a Tiger ? In the cases of long reload / low damage tanks, they clearly suffer against APHE tanks.
Again, extra penetration is not a good tradeoff since there is nothing that the ARL penetrates that the Tiger / Panther can’t …
Yeah same answer, autoloaders are a good tradeoff, but they are some that lack it while also doing very little damage. These are the ones relevant to the topic of AP vs APHE
ARL44 has gun with comparable pen to german long 88, with enough pen to UFP unangled Panther and one shot it.
Quite the feat for tank sitting at 5.3, especially when you consider that while the ARL-44 platform might not be the best one, the german platforms with the long 88 at this BR are Nashorn and Waffentrager, both very submissive and HEable targets.
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Forgot about the Panther thing, I’ll grant you this one
nah, dont sweat it. Theres prolly bunch of stuff Ive only glossed over too, which would speak on behalf of APHE.
I’ve noticed that IS-3 seems to be impacted by autocannon spam frontally more than most heavies I face in 341. Often I’m just out there to take its gun out and the whole vehicle will pop:
(Turn resolution up if YT tries playing in 480p)
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How does the conquoror suffer? the dart is phenomenal if you aim it.
the issue is it has a slow reload.
At those BRs agreed though, APHE being able to clip a cupola and nuke a crew is ridiculously annoying, even when I use my M26 Pershing I take mostly AP then take some APHE to catch cupolas of stuff I cant really pen reliably
Gonna say ARL 44 is good on paper, pretty sucky to use in game, It can UFP the panther, but it has a pretty diabolical reload last I used it as well as it’s no gun depression n huge D:
This TBH , these posts get a lot of comments of folks arguing which is better / worse than the other but both have good metrics and bad.
as we’ve all agreed the post pen effect of APHE is pretty damn potent.
other than that usually AP has a distinct advantage in pen
IS-3 isn’t special in that regard.
You can trap shot so many heavies, or at least cupola them…
T29, T26E5, T26E1, M26 you can literally just pen the driver or commander cupola.
IS-2s, IS-6s you can just cupola them.
Jumbos you can just cupola / trap-shot them. Etc…
They should buff the Conqueror’s reload to 12.5s or something imo.
My point was that the IS-3 is dying before I even have to reach for the cupola. Although, now that I look at the first video again it seems to have hit the cupola. I guess the design of where the cupola (and drivers hatch) is in relation to the gun is a weakness that is getting it nuked by autocannon spammers during the process of the autocannon spammer trying to take the gun out. Typically, for others, it’s a step-by-step process I like to do where I take the gun out, then immobilise them (to add further insult), and then finally reach for the cupola to put them out of their misery:
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That’s it. Time to move the Coelian to 12.7.
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I mean it’s what ? 14 or something now
Yet the advantage it has over waffentrager/Nashorn is that it cant be MGed nor it can be one-shot with HE as much as grazing the top of its turret/superstructure.
And its not just Panther UFP, the gun actually has enough pen to chew through Ferdinand superstructure (tank it cant actually meet naturally) as well as Jagdpanthers, on top of being able to deal with Tiger II with serial production turret.
Sure, its gun might be overkill for the BR it sits in regards to pen and other aspects of the vehicle might suffer due to it, but since spall is tied to residual penetration the gun is nothing to scoff at.