As a supersonic to ground missile that debuted later, has a larger missile size, and is suitable for fixed wing applications, isn’t KH38 more advanced than CM502? Does Gaijin think that the CM502 missile, which is smaller, slower, and appeared later on relatively inexpensive drones and helicopters, is more advanced and powerful than the KH38 series developed for the fifth generation Su-57?Why is KH38 allowed to join the game while CM502 is rejected on the grounds of being too advanced
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It has too much range for a helicopter missile, especially a fnf one. Right now we have heli missiles with a max range of 10km for beam riding/laser guided and 8 for fnf ir, the CM is 25km and is fnf ir, it way too big of a jump. The kh38 has nothing to do with this since its for fixed wing cas.
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Don’t forget that the CM502KG is also suitable for drones, and the maximum range of 25km should be for drones. For low altitude and low-speed helicopters, the range should be much lower. Interestingly, KH38 can actually be mounted by helicopter. Let’s look forward to KA52M
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Ita russian. And shouldnt be in the game in the first place.
As the guy above said, 25km range is extreme. There really wouldnt be any counterplay for ground units if the Z10 would abuse cover.
In different thread ive read that CM502 could be added with gimped stats (similiar to what we currently have) to give china FnF heli missile, which i would be perfectly fine with, but otherwise im afraid it wont be added.
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If I remember correctly, the 25km data has always been displayed with drones, and the range of the same missile on low-speed and low altitude helicopters should have decreased significantly. Of course, it is also possible that I was negligent, but I really don’t remember CM502 introducing the range when it was displayed with helicopters
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Fair enough.
I think we would need to see how gaijin wants to implement it.
In principle it isnt that much different to what we currently have so only issue is the range.
There is one more thing, the CM502 actually does not have a dedicated anti tank heat warhead, only HE and SAP. Although a 5kg explosion is enough to render the tank ineffective in reality, it is far from enough in the game, as seen in the AGM65. Although CM502 has a relatively long range, it can only threaten lightly armored targets such as LT and AA. If you are using MBT, you can ignore it
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Currently it’s only in testing on the navy KA-52K
But it is listed as an available weapon in the KA-52E brochure… but oddly doesn’t show any pylons capable of equipping it… So I’m not sure what to make of that.
I think the issue with the CM502, SPIKE NLOS and the LMUR is that they have LOAL ands NLOS capability, which Gaijin doesn’t want to add (and I can’t say I disagree with the decision) But I don’t know why they can’t just not add that function to them in game and implement them with only lock before launch, which would also solve the range issues as they would be limited to seeker acquisition range
I don’t understand. They could just delete these functions and add them at a suitable time in the future. This is not their first time doing this. There are a large number of vehicles and ammunition with deleted functions in the game to maintain alignment with other countries. Why can’t we have IRFNF ammunition that aligns with other countries
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11KG
Don’t forget the proportion of explosives
Even TNT charges cannot be less than 11KG
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That would be my preferred way of them handling it.
While I’m not sure about the CM502, the LMUR (at least on the MI-28NM the only heli in game that actually uses it) dosnt have the satellite/ drone data link for NLOS, it can fire the missile on IOG to a target point then designate a target via datalink to the missile seeker once its in range, but that requires the heli to stay exposed until the seeker can acquire a lock.
Also both LMUR & CM502 are limited to a max of 4 on a heli, half the amount of NATO F&F heli missiles (and HE only warheads as you mentioned earlier).
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I would be seeing them next update with more advanced aa, along with sead weapons
I have been waiting for three years now. How many more years can I play for? How many more years are there left for this game?
Drones are generally slower than a supersonic fighter and you can take an example like Brimstone 1 which has a range of 20km from a fixed wing jet and 12km range from heli as a rough example of range drop from the switch. I would assume the drones in question are at the bare minimum sub-sonic, if not relatively low subsonic? Though would be fired from higher.
25km probably still translates into at least 15km, maybe more, for a heli. Given that we have multiple nations stuck with 8km SAL weapons, who have been denied their FnFs for a foreseeable future, adding 15km+ FnFs to China might be a tad unfair. I know china has a bad CAS line-up, but I think the focus probably should be on better Fixed wing AGMs comprable to the AGM-65 or up to paper weapons like the KH-38MT.
They could artificially limit the weapon system though to be on par with the Spikes and co though.
to be clear once and for all!! the 25 km range of the CM502KG is an excuse not to put it into play, yes the CM52KG does have 25 km range but on large targets like structures, boats etc., seek it to look for a fixed point at 25 km like the AGM 65 would do but a small and moving target will be locked at a shorter distance of around 12 to 15 km (I could be wrong) because the seeker will always have a limit on distance, target, weather etc.
stop using the 25 km excuse because in War Thunder we can do a test with you of the AGMs of the game and their maximum locking range on fixed and mobile targets and you will see that is exactly what I explained
among other things the CM502KG can very well be added to the game without being a must like the Su30 with the KH38
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moreover the CM502KG has several heads for a start nothing prevents gaijin from adding the laser version of the CM502 then later adding the TV and IR
and as a replacement for the CM502KG gaijin can always add the AG-300M (it has been validated) with 18 km of maximum range in FnF but always limited by the type of seeker, target and distance so in the end it is the same theory as the CM502KG so between 12 and 15 km for the AG-300M of the FnF for small targets
Kh-38 is not on any helicopter, so comparing Kh-38 to CM502 is a false equivalence fallacy.
When there exists missiles on helicopters that can go even 20km, then I can see supporting it.
LOAL also isn’t part of the game as of current.
9X will be LOAL I think?
9X on aircraft [where LOAL would be needed] would also be 2026 as the current estimate.
The 9X we’re getting doesn’t have nor need LOAL.