If thats on helicopter, its still twice the range of current FnF helicopter missiles we already have in game.
Helicopter playing peek-a-boo style with these missiles would be untouchable.
KH38 is an absolute blight to the game and whoever approved it being added to war thunder should by all respects get fired for incompetence.
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Problem is chinese heli also have ty 90 already making them very deadly to anything flying near 5km of any ty90 heli and then giving them a 25km fnf missile will just break everything again apache also just have hell fire for now 25km fnf is not viable
KH-38MT has LOAL
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Was about to say it
Kh-38MT and AGM-65D don’t have “LOAL”. They have line of sight lock, and they won’t go for any position other than a locked target point in line of sight.
Target point wouldn’t exist as a function in actual LOAL code.
KH-38MT will switch from a fixed point lock to an actual target if its within range when it enters about 12-15km. It has also been documented to re-acquire a target that has smoked and then accidentally moved out of the smoke.
That statement implies AIM-9B has LOAL.
Your post is [hopefully unintentionally] stretching the definition to be personalized to fill a narrative.
Because the CM502 actually exists, is in service, and would fix china’s woeful CAS capability. None of that has any place in modern war thunder, apparently.
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I would like to see this missile in game, if anything to make china have something for CAS that isnt completely useless.
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Are you saying that as an advanced missile developed for fifth generation aircraft, KH38 does not have LOAL capability?
Right now, Kh-38MT does not have LOAL as defined correctly.
It has a game-specific locking mechanism that was applied to AGM-65D/G and not changed since the implementation of those Mavericks.
You have to line of sight lock something, the ground or a target, after that you launch ideally within range.
The seeker will capture an IR target within its static FOV.
That is not LOAL, as with LOAL systems the seeker will lock a target on its own, for example you GNSS lock an area of the map and launch; the seeker will than pick on its own accord a target, scanning the battlefield actively. LOAL is not coded as of current, and no IR AGM can GNSS launch at this time and have its IR seeker on later, it has to be an LOS launch for IR AGMs for now.
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I mean, in reality, it should be noted that KH38 is currently one of the most advanced ground missiles in Russia. The LOAL function is widely used in smaller and cheaper missiles in China, the United States, and even Israel. It’s impossible for Russians not to have it, right?
a Su 30 firing a Kh38 at 40 km at a good distance from the anti-aircraft guns is the same thing or worse, We are talking about the CM502KG with only 11 kg of explosive charge compared to the KH38 and its 152 kg of TNT equivalent.
even if it’s FnF at around 12/15 km for optimal locking on small targets you see a lot of FnF type spike at the top Br? I see more often K50, K52 and AH64, I don’t think that the CM502 will break the game since half of the players all play the same nation at the start of play we are not going to see waves of Z10ME unlike at the time when SU 30 had 80% of the team in Su 30
Its defnetively worse, made by the fact that 38MT does not exist, Kh-38 was never fitted with thermal seeker as far as mythic_pi was able to find out, and he dug deeper than dwarves in moria.
Also i wouldnt use the most broken top tier AGM missile as comparison, everything looks weak when compared to that PoS.
Granted its not HEAT warhead as i recently learned BUT
3OF26 with 5.2kg TNT equivalent is still enough to obliterate any vehicle it hits through roof armor (i was able to dome leopard 2s by hitting commanders optics, and Abrams by hitting their RWS).
I can imagine that 11kg HE (or was it SAPHE? Correct me if im wrong) will still obliterate any light vehicle for sure (such as massive AA trucks with no armor); under right angle i believe it would be able to take out MBTs too.
Back when i played above 10.7, yes. I also played UHT a lot.
Well i know for sure what i would be able to do with UHT if PARS range doubled next patch.
Look, im all for CM502 being added but with range more in line with other IR FnF missiles. Its full capabilities would be too much for current state of game.
might be better if gaijin folded Z10ME with Z10 as a compensation that it doesnt carry CM502 as the currently Z10ME lack the some major difference to make it more unique than Z10, at least in this way the cost of grinding would reduced, just like what they did to Tor M1 and HQ17
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I feel like there’s a bit of a misconception with how people throwing around the 25km range number for the CM-502KG: I’d like to clarify users that 25km is more than likely the point lock range - it does not necessarily mean that the Z-10ME will be able to fire off guided missiles at 25km that will home in on you from that distance*.
In War Thunder, self guided munitions, despite their stat card lock range of 20km, or launch range of 23km, 30km, 40km, etc does not necessarily mean that it will lock and track you at 20km; from what I’ve noticed seekerheads will not detect an MBT sized target until 3-10km depending on the seeker. I made a small reference chart that I’ve tested a few patches ago and this is how a lot of guided munitions look ingame in terms of how far out they start tracking targets:
Spoiler
Air to Ground Missiles:
- Maverick A\RB 75 (TV seeker, statcard 23km launch range):
23km point lock range, around 3km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - Maverick B\H\Flz Lwf LB 82 (TV seeker, statcard 23km launch range):
23km point lock range, around 6km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - Maverick D\G (IR seeker, statcard 20km lock range, 23km launch range):
23km point lock range, around 10km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - Kh-29T (TV seeker, statcard 13km launch range):
13km point lock range, around 7km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - Kh-29TE (TV seeker, statcard 30km launch range):
30km point lock range, around 7km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - Kh-29TD (TV seeker, statcard 35km launch range):
+30km point lock range, around 7km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - KH-38MT (IR+IOG seeker, statcard 20km lock range, 40km launch range):
40km point lock range, around 10km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - AJ 168 (TV seeker, statcard 45km launch range):
30km point lock range (launch range), around 6km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - Spike ER (IR seeker, statcard 8km launch range, 20km lock range):
~10km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. (Missiles however, will self destruct after traveling 8km) - PARS 3 LR (IR seeker, statcard 7km launch range, 20km lock range):
~10km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. (Missiles however, will self destruct after traveling 7km)
I unfortunately do not have friends with the Rafale so I do not know the data for the Hammers :(
Bombs:
- Walleye (TV seeker):
+30km point lock range, around 3km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - GBU-8 (TV seeker):
+30km point lock range, around 3km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - GBU-15(V)2/B (TV seeker):
+30km point lock range, around 10km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - PGM (TV+IOG seeker, statcard 50km launch range):
23km point lock range (launch range), around 6km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - KAB-500kr (TV seeker):
13km point lock range, around 3km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - KAB-500kr-E (TV seeker):
13km point lock range, around 3km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather. - KAB-1500kr (TV seeker):
13km point lock range, around 3km track lock range against MBT size target in clear weather.
Feel free to use this chart for your own purposes :)
If that is anything to go by, it is very likely that the CM-502KG will realistically not be able to track you until 10km or so, unlike the 25km that users like to point out incessantly. If anything I can see a point lock range of 25km (not like anything really renders at that distance anyways), which is normal for IR seekerheads for AGMs (you can force fire it at a point at 25km), but it won’t see or track tanks until ~10km realistically.
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Because China isn’t allowed to get good CAS apparently.
i.e the best fixed-wing CAS you get is J-11B with 4x KH-29TE (only 3x if you take a pod) meanwhile you have the Su-34 and Su-30SM carrying nearly double of that, and a much better AGM at that (KH-38MT).
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I told u 9X will be LOAL
Gaijin adding a later block does not change the fact that it’s ground launched, and an anti-air missile.
Not air launched, and not an AGM.