That’s why I don’t bring top BR CAS, cause perpetually permanent uptiers for a vehicle that costs 3x as much as an average next-spawn is not a good idea.
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Bleh, became a bit more of a wall of text than I wanted it to be. Basically, you can get some pretty good range out of the GBU-39s even from the A-10C.
I think you’re underestimating the range of these glidebombs, yes even from the A-10C. These wings do a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to range. At sealevel, going 600-700kph, the A-10C can still get around 6km of range out of these bombs, a JDAM however only gets about a 2km range in comparison.
I tested it just now, you need between probably around 2.5km of altitude in order to outrange Pantsirs, so for 20km range. So it’s not that extreme. At 2km I managed to get a range of around 16-17km, at 3km altitude it had more than enough energy to do 20km.
Problem really is the flight time, altitude doesn’t seem to matter much, but it’s around 2.5 minutes for 20km, which is kinda really unuseable. Even for SPAA, it’s unlikely they sit completely still for that long. Especially considering US teams, it means you potentially lose a lot of ground, giving enemy SPAA room to move. It will definitely not be great, but it’s doable. With a faster launch speed, like with the F-15E you could cut down the flight time well in half, which is much more useable.
Climb time to around 2.5-3km altitude isn’t too bad. Maybe a 1-1.5 minutes or so, with some extra to regain speed. But it’s comparatively pretty bad, and usually you don’t have the luxury to spend much time in GRB anyway. A lot of my matches end in around 10-15 minutes or so, and spawning CAS may only happen much later in the game.
Anyways I myself can’t really imagine using the A-10C that way. Never did that. I always used it treetop level at <6km away from the battlefield in order to cut down on ammunition flight times, can’t be any further because the weapons lack the range, can’t be any higher at those ranges due to SPAA. Outranging on the other hand just come with too large flight times to be effective.
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For air rb:
I use 4 aim9m and all glide bombs. There is the issue of getting to the battle but it can hold its own against other jets. The HMD helps a lot too. The glide bombs are amazing for ground pounding.
For ground rb:
Its hit or miss. The glide bombs let you attack from outside spaa range but rely on the enemy not moving. It works okay VS spaa and it does have to fun factor of watching the spaa waste their missiles shooting down like 12 glide bombs.
I’m only talking about it’s BR in GRB
From the A-10A late you get the aim-9ms, Glide Bombs, TGP, and a MAW. That doesn’t warrant a 1.3 BR increase.
It’s speed is what holds it back. Mavericks and glide bombs cannot be used effectively outside the 5-10km range making it extremely vulnerable towards spaa. It’s guided rockets is only useful against lightly armored vehicles.
It should be placed at the same BR as the Su-39. It’s not better than the F-111F or B+
Literally all the things you listed warrants it being a higher BR.
It’s literally heck a lot more capable than the Su-39
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I said it doesn’t warrant a 1.3 br increase…
It’s not more capable than the Su39. The Kh-29TE, Kh-25 and Vikhrs make it a extremely deadly platform.
Edit: I highly recommend you use the A-10 or at the very least use aircraft that have mavericks. If I hadn’t use these systems like you, I probably would’ve said the same thing
i’m spaa player and ill tell you right now, the su-39 is harder to deal with than the a-10a late
those bombs aren’t effective because the aircraft is too slow which reduces their range, and the a-10 is in general way easier to shoot down as the maneuvering won’t be too effective.
the su-39 is already a significant threat due to kh29te and speed combination which is a significant factor on when you can employ your weapons, will the aircraft be able to dive fast enough, will it be able to run away from the range of your missiles etc
even closeup strategies are significantly less effective in the a-10 because you are so slow the sam missile will have time to maneuver to produce a hit. the su25 may fly over you quickly before you can get a weapons solution
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I use mavericks from around 13-14km and glide bombs from 18km+.
Aim9m with HMS, is a large improvement over the aim9l in ground rb. It should be a decent bit higher than the a10a late
It’s ability to reach those distance does not mean it’s effective at doing so. At 12.0, you’ll be facing pantsirs and VT1 Slingers, all of which can intercept them and you with ease. Mavericks heavily rely on it’s initial speed to glide as well as maneuver.
But not 1.3 BR higher. The Su39 can carry much better agms as well as 2 R73s
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But we’re not talking about the A-10A
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Sorry but A-10C with tgp, triple rack mavs, 2 double rack aim-9m, hmd, and gbu-39 are literally better than the Su-39 with 2 Kh-29 and 2 R-73s
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It’s not, and I have dramatically more experience with both unlike you, [edited because of softies]
The a10a late was mentioned earlier
to addition, even the a-10c has same flaws that limit it. speed is a huge factor in what you can kill in a sam and what you can’t. the a-10’s are all somewhat “free food” compared to su-39’s when i play against them.
on paper all those weapons are fancy, but when you don’t have proper speed to employ them in a way that doesn’t get you killed, they’re not a big deal
Again, I highly recommend you play these systems before you say such things.
- you mean 6 mavericks that are extremely slow, easily interceptable, and inconsistent?
- you mean gbu-39s that are extremely slow, easily interceptable and inconsistent?
The only thing it does have going for it is the aim-9m and hmd, both of which won’t impact the battlefield as much as you think it would
Where as the Su39 has
- 2 Extremely deadly FnF agms that even top tier spaa have trouble dealing with
- 2 consistent agms that can be used within 10kn
- 16 vikhrs that can absolutely decimate tanks when there’s no spaa present (use the agms above to clean up the spaa)
What you fail to mention or not willing to accept is that there’s no 11.3 spaa that can effectively counter it.
You know, the people who say the things what you’ve said can at least pretend to have experience just because they used these systems for a couple of game 3 years ago. You can’t even say that. You literally have zero experience using these systems. How can people take you seriously?
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great way to contribute to the conversation 10/10
You underestimate the utility of using 6 Mavs with enough GPS bombs to clutter the heck out of any opposing SPAA. GBU-39 in itself is pretty useful in that regard, and it being a glide bomb means you can actually use it on stand off distance
Kh-29 suffers the same thing all A2G missiles suffers with btw, 10km tracking lock.
Mavs can do the same do they not?
You mean a very conditional use of ATGMs that barely has any firing zone, forcing you to fly straight to just aim?
Osa, Strela, Type 81, HQ-17, Otomatic
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As opposed to someone that has only flown one of the systems in question a number of times you could count on your fingers? And the other not at all?
LMAO kick rocks
About 6km for TV guided AGMs, 10km for IR guided AGMs.
AGM-65D is IR
Sure thing bud
Yes, I’m saying the Kh-29 doesnt have 10km though