So your plan for fixing the CAS imbalance is leaving the SU30/34 alone, and nuking the next lower bracket with the F15E …
And yes , while mavericks are inferior, they arent your only armament on the F15E.
SU-30/34 can , at most , take 6 KH38 and a few AAMs.
The F15E , along with 6 AGM-65D and AIM-120 can also take:
~ 20(?) GBU-38
5 2000LB JDAMs
Or the assorted Laser equivalents of 500LB and 2000LB bombs.
We somehow learned to fight with Pantsir and Su-30 and Su-34, so let them learn on 11.3. Skill issue.
So, by that logic. I had to deal with Pantsirs in the Tornado Gr1 and not the F-16 the US had, therefore lower the Tornado GR1 to 10.7
holy skissue
F-15E at 12.7 is fair. AGM-65Ds are HEAT, so mass of explosives doesn’t really matter.
Also, comparing it to the KH-38MT is obviously going to make it look worse. We are talking about one of the most overpowered and questionable A2G missiles in the game, versus a solid A2G missile. Compare F-15E to other 12.3 (Tornado GR.4, Mirage 2000 D, etc.) and its obviously the better Airframe + Armament.
Ahahahaha. No no. Stop saying that. All these bombs are not applicable in our game, firstly, to drop them you will need to reduce the speed to 1000 km per hour, secondly, all this is either camp or uncontrollable. Thirdly, Pantsir will intercept all this, especially these paper planes GBU-39 Lol.
My plan is that the F-15E should not be on the same BR with the mastadons Su-30 and Su-34. Because they are not equal. The F-15E is three times worse than these aircraft.
I propose that maybe, just maybe the best strike jet in the game shouldn’t go down in BR. Ignoring the outlier that is the KH-38MT, the AGM-65 Maverick one of the best IR AGMs. Plus, Lots of 2000 pound bombs and glide bombs? Decompress.
We have a complete imbalance in the top tier, one side has the best SAM system that has the best missile, they also have the best CAS in the game with the best missiles at close range A2A. And the best missiles ground. You compare other aircraft at an earlier BR, I can also compare the F-4E against the Pantsir, what are the tires of the Phantom of the 70s against the SAM of 2012? For some reason you do not care about this.
Maybe we should suggest that the Gaijins make two F-15Es, one with an AGM-65D at 12.3 and the other F-15E with all this bomb junk will go to 13.0. And everyone will be happy. True, no one will fly an F-15E with bomb junk, because it is pointless. In order to use all this unnecessary load of bombs, you need to show unprecedented skill.
You are right, the JDAMS and LGBs do suffer from this, however the GBU-39s dont.
Mach 1 at ~7000 meters should be enough for a launch outside of the Pantsir’s range (given that it doesnt move) .
Also depending on the map, using terrain is a good idea.
Sure they can snipe you at 16km , but if they are unaware of your general direction, and you pop up for a strike , they have , at best , a few seconds to react , before they explode.
As others have said, rather than compress the BR by lowering the F15E, the SU30/34 should be raised.
But thats a different discussion for another day, since we’d have to get into balancing and possibly adding new air defenses etc.
Ppl also lacking using spaa then
Can you show me a replay of you doing this? I really want to see you drop a slow GBU-39 on a Pantsir from 7,000 meters.
After raising the BR of the Russian aviation, I stopped getting into battle with them. I have already played many rounds and I almost never meet them. It seems that the USA is somehow limited from 13.0. I do not get to 13.0 and I like it.
I can certainly try , however a pantsir likely wont stay alive / still long enough for it to land. Depending on range, it should take at least 30 seconds. If you launch much closer using terrain , you will get a lower travel time.
Do you not know how HEAT affects the explosion of HE from the missile? HE = big round boom, HEAT = Less big round boom.
yes, as someone is proposing moving the aircraft to that BR.
The fact that USSR has the obvious best CAS, doesn’t mean USA has to move down. Nerf USSR and give equivalent SPAA/SAM to other nations. Yes the Pantsir is better than every SPAA in the game, yes the KH-38MT is better than every A2G missile in the game. Doesn’t mean F-15E moves down. Thats an excuse to let USSR keep being overpowered and compressing lower BRs. Balance USSR and give equivalent SPAA to other nations- not give the F-15E (that is one of the best BVR, has great A2G armament (Mavericks + many Laser/GNSS bombs)) a reason to bully lower tier CAS and tanks.
ADVOCATE FOR GAIJIN TO FIX AND DECOMPRESS, moving F-15E down causes problems for everyone but USA.
yes but 50kg is still alot of boom
enough to blow a house
I can tell you in advance what will come of this. Release the GBU-39 and watch the kill chat as Pantsir intercepts them all. I remember releasing them from an A-10C, full load, Pantsir intercepted every single one.
It’s all good that you say, but Gaijin seemed to have said that the US will not introduce new SAM systems. That is, the US will still have the ADATS of the 80s and beyond. We need to somehow balance the aviation that can act as an air defense, otherwise I simply do not understand how the US will be able to resist a modern CAS. Especially the fictional Russian one.
If Gaijin has said that I’m sure you can find a source for it?
Or is this just more nation main victim fantasy?
