And i feel like you are doing the opposite.
Objectively, the F15C is a very mediocre platform in terms of flight performance, that tends to be on the lower end of dogfighting capabilities (especially compared to the majority of things it usually faces in a match).
Same goes for the 15E.
Neither the 15C or E will win in any kind of dogfight against most flanker variants will it be passive rate fighting, stall fighting…
Shall I buy and crew the F15C just to prove that wrong?
Numerically speaking it beats the flankers in almost every way bar in AoA (instantanious turning)
it can stand on its engines pretty easily.
Unless the “new” FMs for the su27s put them dogfighting wise top of hte pile?
Cause last I Checked all the flankers lose out in FM capabilities to even the F15E.
You are actually the first person i’ve seen that says otherwise…
EDIT: even posts from when the ARH missiles were introduced and its FM Changed folks are still stating the F15E rates better, sustains better and has a better overall package than teh su27SM and all other flankers.
The Su30 ive yet to see comments about
Honestly 10/10 times F15 losses. Sustained F15 does have an edge, but that is not accounting sth called R73. With R73 the turn rate doesn’t even matter cause u can fire that thing so far off bore and F15 pretty much is screwed every time.
If you are top tier dying to R73’s like that something is wrong.
pre flare you have enough
you shouldnt be in a position to be off bored like that, if you are, then you werent winning that sustained fight at all.
WTF are you lot doing in your Eagles to lose so much xD
you’ve never even flown a nation that isn’t china at top tier so what?
EDIT you pretty much exclusively play china… so again, what?
You as well, how the hell are you negative in almost all your top tiers yet are telling me how an F15 flies…
I’ve used it in a couple with my friend’s 15C and E. If u have ever played a 1v1 u will know that flanker pretty much eats F15s for breakfast. 9Ms pretty much require u to be pointing at the target to hit, especially at close range. R73’s HOBS capability can let u hit 90 degree off bore if u do it in slow speed.
Yeah nah, the flanker almost always loses in 1v1’s mate, again if you are being off bored by an R73 you done messed up.
Were talking
A- GRB
B- who uses sim to quantify the planes effectiveness in this game?
You are negative in every one of your top tiers for ARB mate, regardless of what you do in sim, in GRB the planes are substantially better.
Sim allows you to use the plane’s flight performance to it’s limit flying in manual controls, instead of rb which is limited by the instructor.
Not only that, but the avionics and weapon packag3s matter much more, and have a bigger impact due to the nature of the mode.
That’s why, using full real controls the 15C loses to the majority of the stuff it faces.
GSB exists you know?
Besides, the core mechanics and the ways you should play the 2 modes (gsb and grb) don’t differ much from each other, so most of the stuff you see and do in grb, can also be applied in sb
Also, as a last note
Right now we were talking about the flight performance of both the 15C and E, and how they behave in a dogfight vs the flanker variants
Nah try this. The R-73 Is An Absolute Boomerang But There Is More To It Than That Just the opening, F16 preflared and all, did nothing. NVM F15s which are a lot worse off. This used to be less strong without full control but Cobra button has been added.
Actually just to note, GRB doesn’t use full control but is more like sim than ARB. So your stats are actually much better in comparison to just ARB.
put the F15E up to 13.0.
Especially when you can do this!
I dont really find sim thst way at all, ive best f18s with a mirage f1 200.
Or a tornado f3 so its a bit skewed that way, also the fact folks cruise about with the cockpit open without loss of performance shows how sim is inherently flawed.
Dont get me wrong im not a big fan of ARBs instructor either however its how the vast majority of folks fly.
By the way what you said makes little sense, if an f15C beats the flanker with instructor surely it wins without it as well.
If both players are equal
Ground SB is played even less than ASB man whens the last time it even received any attention from gaijin?
Within 1 minute and 40 seconds as well
Technically yes and no, hes better at sim however hes Worse at ARB Statistically speaking.
Ive used the r73 mate its good but again if you flare properly and dont put yourself in stupid positions its easy beaten.
Same as all the irccm missiles, bangers if your opponent positions badly
And GRB is ASB without full real control.
It can eat those in tail chase. If the flanker lowers the speed F15 is in a very dangerous spot. And in this case there is no way of escaping the so called ‘stupid situations’ because the Cobra button can just force u into one with nothing u can do.
Exactly so its effectively easier than sim but harder than ARB; hes worse at an easier game mode ?
Im sorry again, if someones putting you in a position to cobra you, then you fk’d up big time.
The cobra buttons also on the F15 last I checked so yeah, not as potent as the sukhoi version but still there.
I’ve yet to be forced into a position with an F15 I cant get out of, even against su30.
Singular player’s skill issue.
Yea you’re right, it is flawed and that’s just one of the many flaws that sim has, but that’s another story.
Tho it doesn’t win in either, and loses even more badly in frc, even if both players are equally
That’s my point.
