Alright then 13.0 is the highest in ground rb I hate that gamemode, but it doesn’t matter if the jet in 12.7 or in 12.3 because even if it getting down, still tank top tier tanks are in 12.0 maximum so it will still face againts Pantsir and every other SPAA, because the Relese year of the jet, and because Fox-3’s it’s logical to be on that br.
If you think about it because the br capped for tanks into 12.0 like a 12.7 F-15E can face against F-4’s like Kurnass 2000 which is only 1.0 br down but still facing againts Pansir’s, realistically only 0.3 br is the real difference between them.
12.7 can go down to 11.7 though, which means there can be certain games where theres very limited amounts of pantsir, as well as substantially worse CAP to deal with them, to boot the F15E has substantially better CAP loadouts than 11.7s
As well as this you are completely ignoring the fact that more pantsirs are pulled into 13.0 games, as the people who want to use Su34, or SU30 have to play at 13.0, not at 12.0, the ground BR cap at 12.0 means nothing if you take 13.0s with you.
However, if the F15E gets a downtier match, there is only a maximum of 4 other 12.7’s in that match. Remember though, most the pantsirs are sittin in 13.0 matches and are less likely to see a downtier, especially if its in a 13.0 lineup.
It’s not just a case of the caps 13 n ground is 12, cause realistically that 12.0 GRB lineups now 13.0 with CAS/CAP
I’ve thought about it, and the issue is thusly.
there is more on the ground than just patnsir
The fact that F15E/I’s can even see 11.7 lobbies makes no sense.
They do in 11.7 lobbies the exact same as what people cry the su30 and Su34 do in top tier… objectively all these modern platforms like F15E, rafale etc should be 13.0
Objectively, the F15C is a very mediocre platform in terms of flight performance, that tends to be on the lower end of dogfighting capabilities (especially compared to the majority of things it usually faces in a match).
Same goes for the 15E.
Neither the 15C or E will win in any kind of dogfight against most flanker variants will it be passive rate fighting, stall fighting…
Shall I buy and crew the F15C just to prove that wrong?
Numerically speaking it beats the flankers in almost every way bar in AoA (instantanious turning)
it can stand on its engines pretty easily.
Unless the “new” FMs for the su27s put them dogfighting wise top of hte pile?
Cause last I Checked all the flankers lose out in FM capabilities to even the F15E.
You are actually the first person i’ve seen that says otherwise…
EDIT: even posts from when the ARH missiles were introduced and its FM Changed folks are still stating the F15E rates better, sustains better and has a better overall package than teh su27SM and all other flankers.
The Su30 ive yet to see comments about
Honestly 10/10 times F15 losses. Sustained F15 does have an edge, but that is not accounting sth called R73. With R73 the turn rate doesn’t even matter cause u can fire that thing so far off bore and F15 pretty much is screwed every time.
I’ve used it in a couple with my friend’s 15C and E. If u have ever played a 1v1 u will know that flanker pretty much eats F15s for breakfast. 9Ms pretty much require u to be pointing at the target to hit, especially at close range. R73’s HOBS capability can let u hit 90 degree off bore if u do it in slow speed.
Besides, the core mechanics and the ways you should play the 2 modes (gsb and grb) don’t differ much from each other, so most of the stuff you see and do in grb, can also be applied in sb
Also, as a last note
Right now we were talking about the flight performance of both the 15C and E, and how they behave in a dogfight vs the flanker variants
I dont really find sim thst way at all, ive best f18s with a mirage f1 200.
Or a tornado f3 so its a bit skewed that way, also the fact folks cruise about with the cockpit open without loss of performance shows how sim is inherently flawed.
Dont get me wrong im not a big fan of ARBs instructor either however its how the vast majority of folks fly.
By the way what you said makes little sense, if an f15C beats the flanker with instructor surely it wins without it as well.
If both players are equal
Ground SB is played even less than ASB man whens the last time it even received any attention from gaijin?
