I like how No one has had a major issue with my Statement. I did a good thing then:)
No, T-90A is probably the saddest vehicle around 11.0.
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Go on YouTube and look up simulation for like m829a2 vs relikt. Era isn’t modeled like this. It’s just essentially made as a wall with so much thickness. Then using whatever formula giajin uses called like lans oberman calculation. They determine if the angle and rod would pen that flat value at whatever range.
There’s no actual modeling of era or material properties, so you don’t really get an effect through anti era tips and etc.
There’s a big difference between those sims and what we have and those simple 30 second sims take like 20-40 hours to render. That’s what I’m meaning. There’s other things they could probably do, but that’s all I’m referring to. Which is why they say it makes no difference, because they way they calculate armor and pen has little to do with material properties and armor effect.
Similar reason to why all darts are equalized as essentially being tungsten penetrators for gameplay purposes. Which helps spall lines tanks A LOT, and nations which use DU lose out on a large secondary effect of their round it’s a lot to code for, with the era and anti era tips being a lot more to model than the DU, but a lot of coding for either.
I know ERA isn’t modeled correctly in game. But my point is that there are varying degrees of realism in War Thunder and you can work around things not being simulated 100% accurately.
Like I was saying darts with anti-ERA tips could have their penetration reduced by 50% less (as an example) when hitting ERA or something. War Thunder has many workarounds to give the illusion of an accurate simulator so I don’t see why we can’t have one here.
Ok I heard you. Then hear me out: T72b at 10.3 has giant weakspots, poor mobility, no commander fire control, no thermals, no survivability. I hereby propose it to be lowered to 9.7 to make it viable.
You’re at a tier where anyone has to aim at weakspots to kill anything, except light tanks. You have to aim for gun breeches, lfps. Everyone does. The only thing that makes a big difference at this BR is mobility, reload speed, survivability. Abrams has all of them. 6.5 default reload is insane, mobility is good for the BR, survivability is what you would expect from a nato tank (lfp shots sometimes not killing the tank for instance). Also using obj 292 to see armor stats is just trolling at this point.
Trust me I am grinding USSR tanks 10.3 right now, thinking they were beasts, believe me having survivability, mobility and good reload is way better than some ERA and a better round.
none of these people care, they are russian mains who don’t care about balance. everything you said was said 7 years ago
ah yes more ignorance. The t series gun is higher up than the LFP of the abrams.
the game is made by russians, you can clearly see in the comment section why its a waste of time even making bug reports.
and you cant aim
I don’t disagree with you, I think there could be. I think they won’t do it though.
I would like that though, if they implemented even an RNG for sometimes it negates the plate and can go through. That would hurt USSR and nations that rely on era. Which not exactly fair, since it would mostly be a nato buff only.
I think if they implement this. DU rounds should also be implemented which would help some nations too.
It really aint that bad man lol
I don’t have a dog in this fight but you look to be on a hill, and the gun is indeed higher than the LFP. Even where you’re hitting is above the LFP and he’s on a hill above you.
The guy below us posted a size comparison that shows the gun above the LFP.
Well, you guys don’t have any proof that’s the problem.
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Does this help anyone??
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Well, the 3BM60 can’t pen the LFP even at that angle, yeah?
The argument here is that
When u see the abrams do u really want to shoot the slope ufp or just shoot anywhere else
I was answering that question.
I tested it myself and yeah sometime the slope ufp is quite bouncy
armor wise abrams is still worse than counter parts due to lfp and turret armor value being wrong