i said “Almost Simillar”
in my experience with it they are not as good, it really need to be close to be effective because it rocket motor have small burning time unlike the PL-7 or AIM-9, so it fast, but very short range. just imagine it as R-60 that have a better acceleration and a tiny bit more in effective range (R-60= 300m-900m, PL-5B= 500m-1000m)
i know not all jets have it, but its some of the tactic i know that can be use to counter it because i have experience it, people use some of that tactic against me
What does this mean? Because they aren’t CLOSE in performance either, PL-5B is just generally better.
objectively the range is QUITE GOOD for the BR, outranging both R-60 and AIM-9J/P, which are the two most common missiles. You only get outranged by 9D/9G types…
You just don’t understand how the missile actually works, because the magic 1 (PL-7) in all scenarios has about HALF?? the range of the PL-5B
i know how missile works, yes the stats card said 16km but remember thats the Launch Range not the actual missile range and PL-5B rocket motor burns faster which limit its range, and also it only have 23-second of guidance time unlike PL-7 25-second
What? I have never glanced at a stat card in my life. I go by real experience and real statistics provided by game code. The PL-7 is FAR LOWER RANGE than the PL-5B. ANYBODY here will tell you the same.
You are just ignorant to how these missiles function, very simply put.
never glanced at it huh?, then how do you know PL-7 launch range was half of the PL-5B?
How is the French one 10.0? Aren’t AIM-9D worse than Magic 1’s?
because I’m talking about it’s literal real range, not whatever some statcard spits out?
9Ds aren’t really worse than magic 1s, more like sidegrades. They have like double the range but are obviously worse up close. That said, the reason the french one is lower is because it lacks any source of flares or chaff.
Yeah the F-5C is outclassed. It’s too slow and it’s missiles allow anyone you fight to run away with no fear.
You shouldn’t be comparing the F-5C to something at a lower BR but the J-7D which is faster has 2 more missiles that are way better than Aim-9E’s.
Unless you are talking about one of the strike harriers which is a strike aircraft so it isn’t really fair to compare that to a fighter either.
Was comparing the Sea harrier FRS1e which is Britains only fighter between 9.7 and 12.0 to the F-5C
Well one is considered a strike aircraft but still.
The Harrier has way better acceleration than the F5C while having a slightly lower top speed in most cases. The F5C still can beat the updated model but it is harder. The Harrier also has a missile that is arguably 10x better than the F5C’s. Both have the same amount of flares unless the Harrier is single pop which would mean it has 30 more flare launches. The harrier also has a radar and a much better RWR.
I think they are pretty even for a fighter and a strike aircraft. Unless i’m missing something
2 missiles, no flares, no chaff, worse FP than regular E
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It’s not outclassed when it, itself, has an extremely hard time dying to anything in particular. Massively overperforming thermal signature, massively overperforming damage model, and an overperforming flight model all add up to make a cancerous vehicle to face. Anything it can catch, it simply kills (if you aren’t a bad F-5 pilot) and anything it can’t catch also can’t kill it
In my experience the F-5C’s are easy kills all you have to do is catch them if they are climbing or any bit slow because they lose there low speed performance. I would be happy if it lost its flares and went down atp.
Thats just Gaijin being lazy to change it to its correct designation. Was never intended for ground attack and even in the Falklands, did very little and was designed to intercept soviet shadowers.
Given other “multiroles” like the Phantom FGR2 are classed as fighters. This should be a reason to hard lock it to being a strike fighter.
In a 10.3 line up in GRB this is really annoying because you cant spawn both the Jaguar GR1A and the Sea Harrier FRS1e in the same match without massively SP cost increases
SHar is double pop and takes around 10 flares to defeat a well fired Aim-9E fired at the SHar. It takes 1 to defeat a 9L fired at an F-5
F-5C and FRS1e radars are near enough identical in performance for ARB. SHar has the advantage in ASB as it has IFF.
I trust my experience. Also, not only would it have to lose flares but all bugs relating to its thermal signature, damage model, and flight model would have to be adjusted (read: nerfed heavily) as well
Could you please provide some documents proving its engines are burning to cold and its flight model is over preforming? IK gaijin makes up a lot of stuff but still.
Same BR as F-105D though. Same issues but even worse FP (it gets 4 9E tbf, but let’s be honest we would both take 2 magic 1 over those)
Id think it would be 10.3 then, especially since stuff like F-105D is at 10.0 without any flare or chaff aswell