because I’m talking about it’s literal real range, not whatever some statcard spits out?
9Ds aren’t really worse than magic 1s, more like sidegrades. They have like double the range but are obviously worse up close. That said, the reason the french one is lower is because it lacks any source of flares or chaff.
Yeah the F-5C is outclassed. It’s too slow and it’s missiles allow anyone you fight to run away with no fear.
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You shouldn’t be comparing the F-5C to something at a lower BR but the J-7D which is faster has 2 more missiles that are way better than Aim-9E’s.
Unless you are talking about one of the strike harriers which is a strike aircraft so it isn’t really fair to compare that to a fighter either.
Was comparing the Sea harrier FRS1e which is Britains only fighter between 9.7 and 12.0 to the F-5C
Well one is considered a strike aircraft but still.
The Harrier has way better acceleration than the F5C while having a slightly lower top speed in most cases. The F5C still can beat the updated model but it is harder. The Harrier also has a missile that is arguably 10x better than the F5C’s. Both have the same amount of flares unless the Harrier is single pop which would mean it has 30 more flare launches. The harrier also has a radar and a much better RWR.
I think they are pretty even for a fighter and a strike aircraft. Unless i’m missing something
2 missiles, no flares, no chaff, worse FP than regular E
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It’s not outclassed when it, itself, has an extremely hard time dying to anything in particular. Massively overperforming thermal signature, massively overperforming damage model, and an overperforming flight model all add up to make a cancerous vehicle to face. Anything it can catch, it simply kills (if you aren’t a bad F-5 pilot) and anything it can’t catch also can’t kill it
In my experience the F-5C’s are easy kills all you have to do is catch them if they are climbing or any bit slow because they lose there low speed performance. I would be happy if it lost its flares and went down atp.
Thats just Gaijin being lazy to change it to its correct designation. Was never intended for ground attack and even in the Falklands, did very little and was designed to intercept soviet shadowers.
Given other “multiroles” like the Phantom FGR2 are classed as fighters. This should be a reason to hard lock it to being a strike fighter.
In a 10.3 line up in GRB this is really annoying because you cant spawn both the Jaguar GR1A and the Sea Harrier FRS1e in the same match without massively SP cost increases
SHar is double pop and takes around 10 flares to defeat a well fired Aim-9E fired at the SHar. It takes 1 to defeat a 9L fired at an F-5
F-5C and FRS1e radars are near enough identical in performance for ARB. SHar has the advantage in ASB as it has IFF.
I trust my experience. Also, not only would it have to lose flares but all bugs relating to its thermal signature, damage model, and flight model would have to be adjusted (read: nerfed heavily) as well
Could you please provide some documents proving its engines are burning to cold and its flight model is over preforming? IK gaijin makes up a lot of stuff but still.
Same BR as F-105D though. Same issues but even worse FP (it gets 4 9E tbf, but let’s be honest we would both take 2 magic 1 over those)
Id think it would be 10.3 then, especially since stuff like F-105D is at 10.0 without any flare or chaff aswell
At least F-105D can accelerate past Mach 1 without having to wait 4 minutes.
It’s a bomber too, they have naturally higher BRs because they’d be unkillable otherwise if balanced off AA capabilities.
Ir Signatures are based upon thrust.
F-5s have low thrust and therefore are ice cold. In contrast something like a SHar has a LOT of thrust and is extremely hot. Especially at lower air speeds
Grimtax compared the IR signatures of an F-5 on full reheat against that of the F-117 using the Su-27s IRST
F-5 was colder
Its FM was modeled using USSR docs or something and US docs for it arent accepted to nerf it or something. Its really wierd
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I don’t need to regarding its engine temp. It’s widely known they overperform for anybody who knows better and routinely faces it. They act like PROP engines in game. The F-5 RIVALS the F-117, a REAL stealth aircraft, at IR masking.
Idk. Starfighter can be dealt with with AIM-9D slingers like Ayit, and that’s faster than an F-105
If never seen anyone need more than one flare pop for a 9e especially if you turn off your engine for like .5 seconds. Maybe that is a SHar problem.
F5C has no radar at all.
Ok well I know I shouldn’t but I can’t really believe you until I see something, but i’ll do my own research and get back to you because I don’t want to be wrong.