Damn.
It is shame that these documents are still classified or super hard to find, even though J-7C/D has literally Vietnam War era technology.
Regarding the topic of this thread, I was tagged here after another user referenced my previous post, so I’d like to share my perspective.
It’s completely understandable why some players find the J-7D’s current BR (10.7) questionable. But have you actually flown this aircraft? Here’s the reality:
- Limited Armament: It carries only 4 rear-aspect IR missiles (no all-aspect capability).
- No Versatility: Unlike the MiG-21BIS at the same BR (which can equip 6 missiles: R60M/MK x6 or R60M x4 + R13M x2), the J-7D cannot even multirole effectively. The MiG-21BIS can run 4 missiles (2+2 on composite pylons) + 2 ZB-500 incendiary bombs for base strikes, while the J-7D is stuck with its 4 rear-aspect missiles only.
Conclusion:
The J-7D is over-tiered at 11.0 in Air RB. The best solution isn’t just lowering its BR—it’s expanding the BR spread in Air matchmaking to better balance such disparities.
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Well… here’s how it actually works: The J-7D’s onboard radar has American roots (reverse-engineered from captured F-105 components), while its avionics trace back to British Marconi Company technology (acquired through trade, collaboration, and reverse engineering). I even have an AVIC-published e-book documenting these details—but unfortunately, the issue moderators dismissed it as “irrelevant.”
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PL-5B is literally one of the best rear-aspect IRAAMs. It is also better than R-13M, depending on your point of view. R-60M is not a bad missile overall, but in the end it is the worst all-aspect missile in the game, with a very short range and the speed of the missile is not that fast.
Why do you even care about bomb loadouts since ARB is basically TDM?
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Well… as long as napalms are also one of their historical armament.
On the historical side, J-7D/E also have the right to have ZB-500.
I saw some Chinese player complains about it for being unhistorical. Including ‘You-know-who’
But on the gameplay side, yes. I agree with you.
I really am unsure that J-7D need ZB-500 in the current meta.
Well, let me clarify—I may not fully understand your perspective, as I’m using AI translation for communication. If any misunderstanding occurs, I apologize in advance. Gaijin balances vehicles based on multiple factors, not just weapon systems. In BR (Battle Rating) considerations for aircraft with IR missiles, whether a jet has all-aspect missiles is the most critical factor. I own and have flown both the J-7D and the MiG-21bis, which is why I feel qualified to comment on this issue.
The MiG-21bis boasts higher engine thrust, greater payload capacity, and all-aspect missiles—these factors make it unlikely to see a BR reduction. Now, recall the J-7D’s performance at 11.0 BR:
- Opponents: Faced aircraft equipped with pulse-Doppler radars (AIM-7F, R-24R), all-aspect/high-off-boresight missiles, and even the AIM-54 Phoenix.
- Disadvantage: Limited to just 4 rear-aspect IR missiles, rendering it severely outmatched.
If you understand these dynamics, you’ll also grasp:
- Why the Saab 35 “Draken” only recently received a BR reduction.
- Why the MiG-21bis remains at 11.0—its capabilities justify the placement.
BVVD 用赚银狮(SL)能力来判断BR
米21 4x R60M + 燃烧弹炸战区 = 赚银狮神器电动轮椅
歼7D远不接近。根据BVVD歼7D合理为10.7 BR
English:
Gaijin balances by battle rating by Silver Lion earning
MiG-21BIS (Lazur) earns much more by bombing with 4x R60M
J-7D can’t get close. Therefore is “fine” at 10.7
12,353,631,728/10,309,419 = 1198 SL (MiG-21BIS)
10,269,910,554/9,413,006 = 1091 SL (J-7D)
J-7D can’t get close because some dumb idiots bomb the base with J-7D even though the fact it can’t even destroy the base with 1.5kg payloads while sacrificing all four of PL-5B.
You and your fellow J-7D bomber keep decreasing the average netting of J-7D and keep J-7D being undertiered.
Lastly. As I claimed earlier in another topic, The logic of Gaijin at Balancing is illogical.
Don’t bring that illogical theory for defend your illogical theory.
Therefore, the most logical solution is to further expand the BR spread for aircraft equipped with semi-active radar missiles (SARH) and infrared-guided missiles. This is the root cause of the imbalance.
Sadly we all know that Gaijin never do.
Innit?
They want to keep the imbalance.
For getting more money :/
ndeed, it’s truly disheartening. Player experience seems secondary—maximizing profits takes priority. XD As the Chinese proverb warns: ‘Draining the pond to catch all the fish’ (竭泽而渔) — a short-sighted strategy that kills long-term sustainability.
Oh wow, the same thing every fighter at this BR deals with! Some fighters even only get TWO rear aspect missiles, in fact this isn’t even uncommon! womp womp
(MiG-21bis is a higher BR)
bringing up the fact the J-7D has to lose missiles to use napalm is so weak of an argument lol
This is the first correct thing you said
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Man, my Kfir Gderot would kill to get four amazing rear aspect missiles and 10.7 BR. That’d be a massive buff.
J-7D is definitely undertiered when it’s better than 11.0 fighters of the same playstyle but is lower BR.
Oh, friend—since when do you get to decide what’s ‘correct’? Are you implying this is about the F-5? Then let me ask you: Why can the F-5 only carry two missiles when it has usable hardpoints?
I was comparing the MiG-21bis to explain why the J-7D deserves a lower BR. At no point did I suggest the J-7D should lose missile capacity to carry incendiary bombs—it doesn’t even have that option! The core argument here is why the J-7D remains at 10.7, and I’m explaining the rationale. So what’s your actual point?
And you, my friend, care only about your own gameplay experience. You haven’t even bothered to understand how Gaijin balances vehicles or what factors they consider. All I see is you using sarcasm and bitterness to oppose anything that doesn’t align with your views.
Perhaps you should buy the J-7D during the next sale and actually play a few matches with it. Watching kill compilations won’t help you understand reality—though since you already own the A-5C, I’m certain you’d never bother.
No? What?
Yes, in weird ways that don’t actually make any logical sense. Needing to drop missiles to use napalm is NOT a valid reason for a lower BR.
Everything I do is objective, I don’t do as you say. It’s not my nature.
How convenient—cherry-picking only what suits your narrative to reply to. Ah, classic adversarial behavior, my friend.
It’s just how I reply? Stay mad I guess
Really? This is your posting style? Just like that? With zero adversarial intent?
yes I just don’t like writing paragraphs and prefer to respond directly to statements made
Very well, my friend. Language is a natural barrier to our mutual understanding, and I apologize for that.
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