Hungarian Aviation Subtree — What it should look like!

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With the addition of a Hungarian Ground Forces subtree and a Hungarian Helicopter subtree for Italy, the obvious next addition is the Hungarian Aviation subtree. This is my idea of how a Hungarian Aviation subtree for Italy should look. I have tried to include as many indigenous and unique vehicles as possible, while using limited copy-paste only where necessary.

Here you can check out my Hungarian Aviation subtree for yourself: Hungarian Aviation Subtree

This is my Hungarian Aviation subtree in image form, unfoldered:











This is my Hungarian Aviation subtree in image form, foldered:




Here you can see the images and information for each new aircraft in this subtree:

Rank I

Hungarian line:

WM-16B Budapest II
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WM-16 front

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WM-16 rear


Year: 1930s Development stage: Complete, saw service

Historical description… Interwar 1930s Hungarian light bomber biplane manufactured by Weiss Manfréd. Saw limited service until 1941/1942. This B variant is the more powerful light bomber version, the A variant is a weaker reconnaissance version.

Primary weapon: 2 × 7.92 mm Gebauer 1926/31.M MGs

Primary weapon description… Gebauer machine guns are Hungarian designed and made machine guns found on Hungarian aircraft and tanks.

Secondary weapon: 1 × 7.92 mm Gebauer 1934.M MG (rear gun) + up to 300 kg of bombs

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 860 hp Gnome-Rhône 14K Mistral Major (some sources say WM K-14) radial engine, around 300 km/h max speed, 2 crew

Proposed BR: 1.0

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It’s an interwar biplane.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Weiss WM-16 - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… WT Live // Images by Hebime
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle…

CR.32 (Hungary)
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Year: 1935 Development stage: Complete, 76-88 used, saw combat

Historical description… Hungary purchased CR.32s from Italy and modified their CR.32s by replacing their guns with 2 × 7.92 mm Gebauer 1926/31.M Hungarian machine guns. Hungarian CR.32s fought in the Slovak-Hungarian War, the Invasion of Yugoslavia and Operation Barbarossa, eventually being relegated to training duties. I’m not aware of any other differences between the Italian and Hungarian CR.32s, although there could have been some more.

Proposed BR: 1.0

Justification for Battle Rating placement… The Italian CR.32 is at 1.0 and is armed with slower-firing 2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns. This Hungarian modified version differs in the machine guns it has, instead being armed with faster-firing 2 × 7.92 mm Gebauer 1926/31.M machine guns. Considering there is a trade-off between higher calibre and faster firing guns, one isn’t objectively better than the other, so they can both be at the same BR.


WM-21 Sólyom
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WM-21 front

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WM-21 front

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WM-21 rear

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Rear gunner using the Gebauer 1934.M

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Rear gunner using the Gebauer 1934.M


Year: late 1930s Development stage: Complete, saw service, 128 built

Historical description… Interwar late 1930s Hungarian light bomber biplane based on the WM-16, manufactured by Weiss Manfréd (and others). Saw service during WWII, but was gradually removed from service and used as a trainer instead.

Primary weapon: 2 × 7.92 mm Gebauer 1926/31.M MGs

Primary weapon description… Gebauer machine guns are Hungarian designed and made machine guns found on Hungarian aircraft and tanks.

Secondary weapon: 1 × 7.92 mm Gebauer 1934.M MG (rear gun) + up to 300 kg of bombs

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 870 hp WM K-14A radial engine (some sources say a later WM-21B version with a 1,030 hp WM K-14B engine existed), around 320 km/h max speed, 2 crew

Proposed BR: 1.3

Justification for Battle Rating placement… Better than the WM-16B, but not by a huge margin.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Weiss Manfred WM 21 Sólyom | Plane-Encyclopedia
  2. Source 2… WT Live // Images by Hebime
  3. Source 3… Weiss WM-21 Sólyom - Wikipedia

CR.42 (Hungary)
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2 × 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M GKM Hungarian machine guns, possibly installed on a CR.42


Year: 1939 Development stage: Complete, 70-72 used, saw combat

Historical description… Hungary purchased CR.42s from Italy and modified their CR.42s by replacing their guns with 2 × 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M GKM Hungarian machine guns. Hungarian CR.42s fought in the Invasion of Yugoslavia and Operation Barbarossa, eventually being relegated to ground attack, then training duties. The Hungarian Air Force was the most successful user of the CR.42, reportedly achieving a kill to loss ratio of 12 to 1 against Soviet forces on the Eastern Front. I’m not aware of any other differences between the Italian and Hungarian CR.42s, although there could have been some more.

Proposed BR: 1.3

Justification for Battle Rating placement… The Italian CR.42 is at 1.3 and is armed with 2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns. This Hungarian modified version differs in the machine guns it has, instead being armed with faster-firing and higher velocity 2 × 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M GKM machine guns. This makes the Hungarian version objectively better than the Italian one, but not by a huge margin so they can both be at the same BR.


Ju 86 K-2
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Drawing of the Ju 86 K-2

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Gebauer 1934.M of a Hungarian Ju 86 K-2

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Gebauer 1934.M of a Hungarian Ju 86 K-2


Year: 1937/1938 Development stage: Complete, 66-72 used by Hungary, served in combat

Historical description… The Ju 86 K-2 was a Hungarian modified variant of the Ju 86 medium bomber. It served in combat during the Slovak-Hungarian War and the early stages of Operation Barbarossa and was then withdrawn from service.

Primary weapon: 3 × 7.92 mm Gebauer 1934.M MGs (defensive gun turrets)

Primary weapon description… Hungarian Ju 86 K-2s were armed with Gebauer 1934.M MGs instead of MG 15s. Machine guns situated at the nose, at a dorsal position, and within a retractable ventral position.

Secondary weapon: Around 1000 kg bomb load

Other info:

Engine, crew etc… 2 × Gnome-Rhône 14K Mistral Major radial engines, 4 crew

Proposed BR: 1.7

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It’s an outdated late interwar bomber.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Junkers Ju 86 - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… Hungarian Ju-86k - Axis History Forum
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… Junkers Ju-86 - Passed for Consideration - War Thunder - Official Forum

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Ca.310
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Norwegian Ca.310

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Italian Ca.310

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Hungarian Ca.310, one of the three that crashed


Year: 1938

Historical description… The Caproni Ca.310 is an Italian light bomber. 36 were used by Hungary, but were soon returned because they were very underpowered and had a host of technical issues leading to 3 aircraft crashing. Some sources say that Hungarian Ca.310s were modified, replacing the Italian machine guns with Hungarian Gebauer 1934.M machine guns. I don’t know whether the Hungarian Ca.310s were modified in any way or not, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian. The Ca.310 is not in War Thunder yet. It can be added as an Italian bomber with a Hungarian camo, or as a Hungarian bomber with an Italian camo.

Proposed BR: 1.3

Justification for Battle Rating placement… Weak, underpowered interwar light bomber.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Caproni Ca.310 - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… WT Live // Image by Hebime
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… Caproni Ca.310 Series, The Southwest Wind - Passed for Consideration - War Thunder - Official Forum

Ca.135bis
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The Caproni Ca.135 is an Italian medium bomber that was not used by Italy, but by Hungary instead. The Ca.135 is not in War Thunder yet. It can be added as an Italian bomber with a Hungarian camo, or as a Hungarian bomber with an Italian camo. Some sources say that Hungarian Ca.135s were modified to have Hungarian WM K-14 radial engines. I don’t know whether the Hungarian Ca.135s were modified in any way or not, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Caproni Ca.135 - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235089269-caproni-ca135bis-u-in-hungarian-air-force/
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… Caproni Ca.135 - Passed for Consideration - War Thunder - Official Forum

Rank II

Hungarian line:

MÁVAG Héja I
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Héja I


Héja Is

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Héja Is

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Héja I cockpit left

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Héja I cockpit middle

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Héja I cockpit right


Year: 1940 Development stage: Completed, saw combat, around 70 made

Historical description… Hungarian modified version of the Re.2000. The MÁVAG Héja I had a Hungarian engine (WM K-14A), a new Hamilton Standard three-bladed constant-speed propeller, armour for the pilot, an additional 100 L fuel tank (in the fuselage, self-sealing), a radio, a lengthened fuselage, and other changes differentiating it from the Re.2000.

Primary weapon: 2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

Primary weapon description… Exact same armament as in the Re.2000 serie 1 already in-game.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… ? hp WM K-14(A?) radial engine, no idea about max speed, the only places which mention this say it is 485 km/h, but this must be wrong as the Re.2000 itself has a top speed of 530 km/h!, 1 crew

Proposed BR: 2.3

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It will be very similar to the Re.2000 serie 1 which is at 2.3.

Links:

  1. Source 1… MÁVAG Héja - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… Re.2000 “Héja” | Plane-Encyclopedia
  3. Source 3… WT Live // Image by Hebime / WT Live // Image by Hebime

MÁVAG Héja II
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Year: 1941? Development stage: Complete, saw service, 204 built

Historical description… The Héja II (“Hawk”) was a WWII Hungarian fighter based on the Héja I, which in turn was a modified Italian Re.2000. Being built by MÁVAG, the Héja II was entirely Hungarian-made. Héja IIs battled Soviet and American aircraft and were later used as fighter trainers.

Primary weapon: 2 × 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M GKM MGs

Primary weapon description… The 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M had a rate of fire of 1000 rpm, a muzzle velocity of 800 m/s and came with 300 rounds per gun. These were engine-driven machine guns that were installed in the upper cowling. Gebauer machine guns are Hungarian-designed and made.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 1,085 hp WM K-14B radial engine, around 540 km/h max speed, 1 crew

Proposed BR: 2.7

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It is similar to the 2.3 Re.2000, but it is better and has better guns.

Links:

  1. Source 1… MÁVAG Héja - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… Re.2000 “Héja” | Plane-Encyclopedia
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle…

MÁVAG Héja II Zuhanóbombázó
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The only image I know about showing the MÁVAG Héja II Zuhanóbombázó. This was after 2 of them were destroyed in a bombing raid.


A standard MÁVAG Héja II. The Héja II Zuhanóbombázó looked like this but with dive bombing equipment and bomb racks.

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Year: 1943 Development stage: Completed, unknown whether they were used in combat

Historical description… A dive bomber variant of the MÁVAG Héja II. It had underwing dive brakes powered by Bosch electric motors, bomb racks, and a dive-bombing sight. 3 were made and tested, but we don’t know whether they were used in combat or not.

Primary weapon: 2 × 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M GKM MGs

Primary weapon description… The 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M had a rate of fire of 1000 rpm, a muzzle velocity of 800 m/s and came with 300 rounds per gun. These were engine-driven machine guns that were installed in the upper cowling. Gebauer machine guns are Hungarian-designed and made.

Secondary weapon: 500, 250, and 50 kg bombs available

Secondary weapon description… Some sources say it had a centerline bomb rack that could carry either a 500 or a 250 kg bomb. Others say it had bomb racks on the wings and could carry 2 × 250 and 4 × 50 kg bombs (and 88 × 2 kg bomblets, not sure in what combinations). Maybe it had both a centerline and wing bomb racks.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew, diving speed etc… 1,085 hp WM K-14B radial engine, around 540 km/h max speed (or a bit less due to the extra weight), 1 crew, 600 km/h diving speed

Proposed BR: 2.7

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It is still very similar to the MÁVAG Héja II, but with dive bombing capabilities.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Squadron Signal 1177 Reggiane Fighters | PDF (page 16-20)
  2. Source 2… WT Live // Image by Hebime
  3. Source 3… MÁVAG Héja - Wikipedia

WM-23 Ezüst Nyíl
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Apparently real surviving photo of the WM-23

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Apparently real surviving photo of the WM-23

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Apparently real surviving photo of the WM-23


WM-23 recreation in X-Plane (flight simulator)


WM-23 recreation in X-Plane (flight simulator)


WM-23 recreation in X-Plane (flight simulator)


Statcard I made for the WM-23


Year: 1939 Development stage: Completed, test flown

Historical description… Hungarian-designed and built fighter aircraft developed by Weiss Manfréd. Was going to enter mass production, but due to a persistent issue that took too long to resolve, similar and better alternatives eventually became available making the WM-23 unnecessary.

Primary weapon: 2 × 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M GKM MGs + 2 × 8 mm Gebauer 1939.M MGs

Primary weapon description… The 12.7 mm Gebauer 1940.M had a rate of fire of 1000 rpm, a muzzle velocity of 800 m/s and came with 300 rounds per gun. The 8 mm Gebauer 1939.M had a rate of fire of 2000 rpm, a muzzle velocity of 730 m/s and came with 500 or 600 rounds per gun. Gebauer machine guns are Hungarian-designed and made.

Primary weapon note… The 2 × 12.7 mm guns might have been replaced later on during development by 2 × 20 mm Mauser MG 151 cannons.

Secondary weapon: Some bombs - 20 kg bombs?

Secondary weapon description… It was intended to carry a small bomb load, but the number and mass of the bombs is not very clear.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 1,030 hp WM K-14B radial engine, 530 km/h max speed, 1 crew, roughly 16.7 m/s climb rate

Proposed BR: 3.0

Justification for Battle Rating placement… The flight performance is around 2.7-3.0 worthy, but the guns are likely going to be quite good, justifying it to be at 3.0.

Links:

  1. Just read my detailed Wikipedia article on it… Weiss Manfréd WM-23 Ezüst Nyíl - Wikipedia
  2. WT forum discussion (my suggestion) on the vehicle… Entirely Hungarian WW2 fighter: The WM-23 "Ezüst Nyíl"
  3. WT forum (my old suggestion), more of a discussion on the vehicle… Entirely Hungarian-designed WW2 fighter: The WM-23 "Ezüst Nyíl" - Other Nations - War Thunder - Official Forum

Attacker line:

🞧Ju 87 D-5
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A Hungarian Ju 87 D-5. Hungary received some Ju 87s of various types, including D-5s, and used them on the Eastern Front and maybe in the defence of Hungary. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


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Do 215 B
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A Hungarian Dornier Do 215 B bomber. The Do 215 is not in War Thunder yet, but it is a development of the Do 17 and was further developed into the Do 217, both of which are in the game. I don’t know whether the Hungarian Do 215s were modified in any way or not, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.

Proposed BR: 2.0

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It is better than the Do 17 Z-2 at 1.7, and it matches/slightly beats the flight performance of the He 111 H-3 at 2.3, but it has a much smaller payload and less defensive armament, so I think it should go between these two aircraft at 2.0.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Dornier Do 215 - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… Dornier Do 215 in Hungarian Service - Destination's Journey
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… Dornier Do 215 B-1: Commandeered Combatant - Germany - War Thunder - Official Forum

🞧Ju 88 C-6
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Hungarian Ju 88 C in Kiev, 1942

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Crashed Hungarian Ju 88 C-6, serial number B.148, Russia, 1943. The cockpit painting on the nose was used to deceive enemy aircraft into thinking that the plane is a bomber and not a heavy fighter.


A Hungarian Ju 88 C-6. I don’t know whether they were modified in any way or not, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


Rank III

Hungarian line:

RMI-1 X/H
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The Varga RMI-1 X/H under construction

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The Varga RMI-1 X/H under construction

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The Varga RMI-1 X/H under construction

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The Varga RMI-1 X/H under construction

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Drawing of the Varga RMI-1 X/H

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Drawings of the Varga RMI-1 X/H

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Drawings of the Varga RMI-1 X/H

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A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H


A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H


A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H


A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H

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A Jendrassik Cs-1 turboprop engine (world’s first working turboprop)


Year: 1940 Development stage: Completed, undertook taxiing trials and high speed runs, but was destroyed by Allied bombing before making its first flight.

Historical description… World’s first turboprop aircraft, entirely Hungarian-designed and made, twin engine turboprop heavy fighter-bomber designed by Hungarian engineer László Varga.

Primary weapon: 4 × 20 mm cannons in the wing roots

Primary weapon description… I haven’t seen any mention of what types these are, but I’m willing to bet they are MG 151s, as that seems to be the most likely and plausible case.

Secondary weapon: 300 kg bomb load + 1 × 8 mm machine gun (manually operated) and 2 × 13 mm machine guns (in remotely operated turrets) as rear armament

Secondary weapon description… Bomb load is in the internal bomb-bay located under the pilot. All defensive machine guns are operated by the rear gunner.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 2 × 1,000 hp Jendrassik Cs-1 turboprop engines, around 540-550 km/h max speed, 3 crew (pilot, gunner, bombardier)

Proposed BR: 3.3

Links:

  1. Source 1… Varga RMI-1 X/H - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… WT Live // Images by Hebime
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… RMI-1 X/H - Other Nations - War Thunder - Official Forum

RMI-1 X/H (DB 605)
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The Varga RMI-1 X/H under construction

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The Varga RMI-1 X/H under construction

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The Varga RMI-1 X/H under construction

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Drawing of the Varga RMI-1 X/H with the Cs-1 engines, this version would have DB 605 engines instead.

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Drawings of the Varga RMI-1 X/H with the Cs-1 engines, this version would have DB 605 engines instead.

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Drawings of the Varga RMI-1 X/H with the Cs-1 engines, this version would have DB 605 engines instead.

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A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H with the Cs-1 engines, this version would have DB 605 engines instead.


A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H with the Cs-1 engines, this version would have DB 605 engines instead.


A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H with the Cs-1 engines, this version would have DB 605 engines instead.


A model of the Varga RMI-1 X/H with the Cs-1 engines, this version would have DB 605 engines instead.

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DB 605 engine


Year: 1943 Development stage: Completed, undertook taxiing trials and high speed runs, but was destroyed by Allied bombing before making its first flight.

Historical description… The Varga RMI-1 X/H was the world’s first turboprop aircraft. It was entirely Hungarian-designed and made and was a twin engine turboprop heavy fighter-bomber designed by Hungarian engineer László Varga.

However, in 1942, work on getting the Cs-1 turboprop engine to output as much power as it should was put on hold and stopped entirely in 1943. This was due to the Me 210 Ca-1, which filled the same role as the RMI-1, becoming available and the beginning of its mass production in Hungary which was an easier task than further developing a new turboprop which wasn’t yet ready for mass production. Because of this, the RMI-1 project was halted for a short time and then the engineers decided to replace the Cs-1 turboprop engines with the already in production in Hungary, already perfectly working, and more powerful DB 605 piston engines. Because the new engines were heavier than the Cs-1 turboprop, 30 kg of extra weight needed to be added to the tail of the RMI-1 to rebalance it.

This version of the aircraft represents the Varga RMI-1 X/H re-engined with the DB 605 piston engines in the state that it was in, almost ready for mass production, before it was destroyed by Allied bombing later in the war.

Primary weapon: 4 × 20 mm cannons in the wing roots

Primary weapon description… I haven’t seen any mention of what types these are, but I’m willing to bet they are MG 151s, as that seems to be the most likely and plausible case.

Secondary weapon: 300 kg bomb load + 1 × 8 mm machine gun (manually operated) and 2 × 13 mm machine guns (in remotely operated turrets) as rear armament

Secondary weapon description… Bomb load is in the internal bomb-bay located under the pilot. All defensive machine guns are operated by the rear gunner.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 2 × 1,450/1,455 hp DB 605 piston engines, around 550 km/h max speed (or likely more since the DB 605s are significantly more powerful than the Cs-1s), 3 crew (pilot, gunner, bombardier)

Proposed BR: 3.7

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It has DB 605 engines which are more powerful than the Cs-1 turboprop engines, so it should be at a higher BR than the original RMI-1.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Varga RMI-1 X/H - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… WT Live // Images by Hebime
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… RMI-1 X/H - Other Nations - War Thunder - Official Forum

Me 210 Ca-1
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Hungarian Air Force Me 210 Ca-1


Hungarian Air Force Me 210 Ca-1s

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Armour layout of the Me 210 Ca-1

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Drawing of an Me 210 Ca-1 with Hungarian Turul radar system

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2 × 250 kg bombs being loaded into the bomb bay of an Me 210


Year: 1942 Development stage: Completed, mass produced and served in combat, 267-272 made by Hungary

Historical description… Germany didn’t have much success with the Me 210, producing only a handful of A variants which had aerodynamic and stability issues. After this, the Luftwaffe effectively abandoned the Me 210 project (and went back to the Bf 110), although it would return later with improvements as the Me 410.

The improved Me 210 C prototype was also developed which the Hungarians were satisfied with for meeting their heavy fighter-bomber role. The Hungarians made a few more changes to it, fixing the stability issues, and began mass producing the Hungarian variant, the Me 210 Ca-1, of which a significant portion would be given to the Luftwaffe. The Hungarian Air Force was satisfied with the performance of their Me 210 Ca-1s. The Hungarians developed their own further variants of the Ca-1, as well as their own weapons and devices which were for the Me 210. One of these that could be featured on this aircraft is the Hungarian Turul radar system.

Primary weapon: 2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannons + 2 × 7.92 mm MG 17 MGs

Primary weapon description… All of these guns are in the nose.

Secondary weapon: 2 × 13 mm MG 131 MGs (rear armament in remotely operated turrets) + Up to 1,000 kg of Bombs

Secondary weapon description… Bombs carried internally, options include 2 × 500 kg bombs, 2 × 250 kg bombs, and 8 × 50 kg bombs. Some sources say additional bombs could be carried under the wings.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 2 × 1,455/1,475/1,650/1,775 hp (depending on boost and fuel) DB 605B piston engines, around 580 km/h max speed, 2 crew

Proposed BR: 3.7

Links:

  1. Source 1… Messerschmitt Me 210 - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… Messerschmitt Me 210 Twin-Engine Heavy Fighter / Fighter-Bomber Aircraft
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… Me-210Ca-1: Hungarian Firepower - #5 by Miltaccfd / The Hungarian Me 210 Ca-1 multi role aircraft - Passed for Consideration - War Thunder - Official Forum

Me 210 Ca-1 (40 mm)
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The 40 mm cannon installed in the bomb bay

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Year: 1943/1944 Development stage: Completed, several made, not known if they served in combat or not

Historical description… Germany didn’t have much success with the Me 210, producing only a handful of A variants which had aerodynamic and stability issues. After this, the Luftwaffe effectively abandoned the Me 210 project (and went back to the Bf 110), although it would return later with heavy improvements as the Me 410.

The improved Me 210 C prototype was also developed which the Hungarians were satisfied with for meeting their heavy fighter-bomber role. The Hungarians made a few more changes to it, fixing the stability issues, and began mass producing the Hungarian variant, the Me 210 Ca-1, of which a significant portion would be given to the Luftwaffe. The Hungarian Air Force was satisfied with the performance of their Me 210 Ca-1s.

The Hungarians developed their own further variants of the Ca-1 such as this one. In order to intercept and destroy the Allies’ heavy bombers, the Hungarians installed a 40 mm autocannon into the bomb bay of several Ca-1s. On top of this, they were also armed with 6 × 152 mm rockets that could be jettisoned in case of a dogfight. The idea was that these weapons could be used to effectively destroy Allied heavy bombers while staying outside of their gunners’ range.

Primary weapon: 1 × 40 mm cannon + 2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannons (+ 2 × 7.92 mm MG 17 MGs?)

Primary weapon description… All of these guns are in the nose. The 7.92 mm MGs may have been removed on the 40 mm version of the Me 210 Ca-1. The 40 mm cannon was installed in the bomb bay.

Secondary weapon: 2 × 13 mm MG 131 MGs (rear armament in remotely operated turrets) + 6 × 152 mm Nebelwerfer rockets (+ some amount of bombs?)

Secondary weapon description… Rocket pods can be jettisoned. Maybe it could carry less/no bombs because the 40 mm cannon was installed in the bomb bay.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew etc… 2 × 1,455/1,475/1,650/1,775 hp (depending on boost and fuel) DB 605B piston engines, around 580 km/h max speed, 2 crew

Proposed BR: 4.0

Justification for Battle Rating placement… The powerful 40 mm cannon is why I think this should be at a slightly higher BR than the standard Me 210 Ca-1.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Messerschmitt Me 210 - Wikipedia
  2. Source 2… https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/08/07/aviation
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… Me-210Ca-1: Hungarian Firepower - #5 by Miltaccfd / The Hungarian Me 210 Ca-1 multi role aircraft - Passed for Consideration - War Thunder - Official Forum

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🞧Ju 88 A-4
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A Hungarian Ju 88 A-4. I don’t know whether they were modified in any way or not, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


Rank IV

Hungarian line:

🞧Bf 109 G-6
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A Hungarian-built Bf 109 G-6. Hungary mass-produced Bf 109 Gs, building around 700-800 in total. Hungary used their Bf 109s on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


🞧Bf 109 G-10
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Hungarian Bf 109 G-10 in Germany, 1945

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Hungarian Bf 109 G-10 of the 101st Fighter Group in Austria, May 1945

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Hungarian Bf 109 G-10 of the 101st Fighter Group in Austria, May 1945

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Hungarian Bf 109 G-10 of the 101st Fighter Group in Austria, May 1945


A Hungarian Bf 109 G-10. Hungary mass-produced Bf 109 Gs, building around 700-800 in total. Hungary used their Bf 109s on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


RMI-8 X/V
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Year: 1943 Development stage: Either nearly completed or fully completed prototype, may have even been test flown

Historical description… Hungarian-designed twin engine, twin boom push-pull interceptor design using components from the Bf 109G. The prototype and most of the official documents for it were destroyed in an Allied bombing raid.

Primary weapon: 3 × 30 mm Mk 108 or 20 mm MG 151 cannons + 2 × 8 mm Gebauer MGs

Primary weapon description… Guns spread across the nose and wings. Gebauer machine guns are Hungarian designed and made machine guns found on Hungarian aircraft and tanks.

Secondary weapon: No bombs/payload

Secondary weapon description… It’s an interceptor aircraft and didn’t need these.

Other info:

Engine, max speed, crew, climb rate, turn time etc… 2 × 1450-1775 hp (depending on engine variant, fuel quality and boost) Daimler-Benz DB 605A-1 or AM piston engines, around 800 km/h max speed, 1 crew, around 18.5 m/s climb rate, around 21.1 s turn time

Proposed BR: 6.0

Justification for Battle Rating placement… It has very good flight performance and heavy firepower.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Marton XV-01 / RMI-8 X/V (Extended ) - Other Nations - War Thunder - Official Forum
  2. Source 2… RMI–8 – Wikipédia
  3. WT forum discussion on the vehicle… Marton XV-01 / RMI-8 X/V (Extended ) - Other Nations - War Thunder - Official Forum

Attacker line:

🞧Fw 190 F-8
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A Hungarian Fw 190 F-8. Hungary received 72 Fw 190 F-8s and used them on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


Bomber line:

🞧Tu-2S-59
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Year: Late 1940s-1950s

Historical description… Tu-2S operated by Hungary post war. Late variant as can be seen by the 4 bladed propellers.

Links:

  1. Source 1… Tu-2 in Hungary

Premium:

🞧Bf 109 G-14
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A Hungarian Bf 109 G-14. Hungary mass-produced Bf 109 Gs, building around 700-800 in total. Hungary used their Bf 109s on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


Rank V

Hungarian line:

🞧MiG-15bis
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Hungarian MiG-15bis on display in Szolnok, Hungary

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Hungarian MiG-15bis on display in Kecskemét, Hungary


A Hungarian MiG-15bis. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


MiG-17PF
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Hungarian MiG-17PF in Kecskemét, Hungary

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Hungarian MiG-17PF in Kecskemét, Hungary


A Hungarian MiG-17PF. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian. As I understand, the Lim-5P (already in WT) is a licensed copy of the MiG-17PF, so they are pretty much identical.


Bomber line:

🞧IL-28
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Hungarian IL-28 at the Airplane Museum of Szolnok, Hungary


Hungarian IL-28 at the Airplane Museum of Szolnok, Hungary


A Hungarian IL-28. May have been used in combat against the Soviets during the 1956 Hungarian Uprising/Soviet Invasion of Hungary. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


Rank VI

Hungarian line:

MiG-19PM
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Hungarian MiG-19PM at the Airplane Museum of Szolnok, Hungary


A Hungarian MiG-19PM. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian. The MiG-19PM is a variant that is not yet in WT, and it differs to in-game variants as it gets 4 K-5M beam-riding missiles but no guns.


MiG-21PF
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Hungarian MiG-21PF “501” at Duxford IWM, UK


Hungarian MiG-21PF at the Airplane Museum of Szolnok, Hungary


A Hungarian MiG-21PF. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian. As I understand, the MiG-21PF (not in the game yet) is better than the MiG-21F-13 (already in WT at 9.3), but worse than the MiG-21PFM (already in WT at 9.3).

MiG-21 Variants: List of Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 variants - Wikipedia


Rank VII

Hungarian line:

🞧MiG-21MF
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Hungarian MiG-21MF at Pápa Air Base, Hungary, 1991, new roundel

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Hungarian MiG-21MF at Kecskemét Air Base, Hungary


A Hungarian MiG-21MF. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


🞧MiG-21bis
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Hungarian MiG-21bis in 1991. Notice the new post Warsaw Pact roundel.

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Hungarian MiG-21bis with old Warsaw Pact roundel


Pápa Air Base, Hungary, 2006

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Yellow paint scheme, 1993


A Hungarian MiG-21bis. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


🞧MiG-23MF
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Hungarian MiG-23MF at Kecskemét Air Base, Hungary

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Hungarian MiG-23MF in 1991. Notice the new post Warsaw Pact roundel.

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Hungarian MiG-23MF at Pápa Air Base, Hungary

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Hungarian MiG-23MF at Pápa Air Base, Hungary


A Hungarian MiG-23MF. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


Attacker line:

🞧Su-22M3
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It seems Gaijin already has a Hungarian Su-22M3 in the files!

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Hungarian Su-22M3 in 1991. Notice the new post Warsaw Pact roundel.


A Hungarian Su-22M3. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


Rank VIII

Hungarian line:

🞧MiG-29
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A Hungarian MiG-29. From what I know, this is a MiG-29 (9-12A), identical to the German one in-game. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


🞧JAS39C
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A Hungarian JAS 39C. As far as I’m aware they were not modified in any way, other than maybe having instruments in Hungarian.


So, what are your thoughts on my Hungarian Aviation subtree for Italy? Do you want it to be implemented? Do you know of any Hungarian aircraft that I left out and should add?

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Huge +1 from me! Exactly what I’d like to see from this sub-tree.

Also, the Ju-86 is in the game as the B3C, although a different version of Ju 86 obviously.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the tree is entirely copy/paste besides the Me 210, with the unique prototypes becoming premiums, like what happened to Finland.

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Potential Rank I premium:
CR.42 (V.209) or CR.42 (WM K-14)

One CR.42 of Hungary with number V.209 was powered by a WM K-14 engine.

A better CR.42 (higher power, high RPM and higher velocity 12.7 mm), at around BR 1.7.

Fiat-CR-42-V-209

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I neeed the Hungarian MIG 23 , it has a cool af camo. They belonged to the Sámán squadron too. Their unit insignia is the archer, top left of the page.

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Also bomb load for the MÁVAG Héja fighters:

In 1941, during Operation Barbarossa an experimental Hungarian fighter squadron of 7 Héja I fighters were sent to support the Hungarian units, out of them 2 (V.453 and V.460) were equipped with bombing equipments and were designated as Héja B (bomber). In 1942-43 the Hungarian 2nd Army’s fighter squadron also had a fighter-bomber flight of 4 Héja I fighters (V.415, V.426, V.440 and V.430 or V.470). Later when Hungary started to manufacture the Héja II the bombing equipment was a standard set of the fighter aircrafts but never used them.

The bombing equipment of the Héja fighters was the Italian Spezzoniera Automatica Nardi bomb-bay. Each bomb-bay could carry 22 bombs, the bombs were either the 2 kg 33.M “O” or the 2 kg 33.M “M” bombs. Each Héja could carry 4 bomb-bays which means a fighter could carry 88 bombs of the aforementioned types. The bomb-bays were carried under the wings, between the wheels - this can be seen on all of the Héja Is in the pictures.

The Hungarian Héja fighter-bombers were quite successfuls against manpower, artillery, trucks and aircrafts on land. During the explosion of a 2 kg bomb around 250 fragments are formed, most of them weights more than 1 gramme and 50 out of them weights more than 5 gramme. This means that a Héja with 88 bombs could bomb an area of 100x100 meter with 20-22.000 fragments.

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I’d rather see unique Italian design over just Russian and German copy paste. I can agree with some actual Hungarian planes, but I don’t see any need for copy paste ones as Italy has a lot of planes that that haven’t been added yet.

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As the Italians had a right to have the M18 and defended it tooth and nail, Hungarians have a right to have their iconic jets, be it of Russian origin or not.

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And I’m not saying you don’t have that right, I’m simply explaining why I don’t want to see it in game and would much rather gaijin expands the tree with Italian vehicles instead of copy paste.

We saw it with the Mi-24s which is annoying as Italy has a lively helicopter industry and now we might not see some more Italian designs because Gaijin has an excuse not to add any, that being we just got the Hinds.

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+1 would love to see

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I am against it cause it will just be copy past and I don’t like every country having all the same vehicles.
Hungarian disign planes would be cool too , but not in a separate branch then

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Hungary does not use the “normal” Gripen C, like you wrote.
The variant in use is JAS-39C EBS HU (Export Baseline Standard Hungary), which was originally a Gripen A modified with Gripen C parts.

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So basically in game would be a Gripen C

Well… Probably. Maybe slightly different damage models, drag, max G load.

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I still think a mixed Romanian/Hungarian line would be a better idea, which allows to bring more unique modifications instead of just C&P.
I have some custom TT. It’s still missing a lot though. I also tried to avoid planes which weren’t armed and/or didn’t have a first flight.

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PS many C&P planes can use both Romanian and Hungarian camo, such as MiG-23s, B-33, IL-28 and etc.

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I’m going to say no this but mainly because Hungary should either be a TT of it’s own or the very least be a part of the V4 TT, same goes for Romania (In the case of Romania it’s own TT with a Bulgarian and/or Ukrainian Subtree)

Besides Italy can have 5 lines in both Air and Ground TT’s

The only Russian made equipment that is acceptable in the Italian TT is either Russian equipment captured by the Italians, a Joint Russo-Italian project or an aircraft of Russian origin that an Italian firm upgraded it, ideally for a nation that cannot realistically be added even as a subtree

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When talking about RU-IT collabs, Yak-130/M-346 is the one we are probably talking about, and tbf, I felt gaijin is sleeping on something big, as it provides an unique CAS option for Russia, Italy and Israel.

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Thanks, I didn’t know

In no way does my subtree intend to stop more Italian aircraft being added into the game. My post just demonstrates what I think the possibly upcoming Hungarian air subtree should look like. I get that copy-paste aircraft are frowned upon, but for the bomber line, I think they are fully justified as Italy has no bombers at rank 4 or 5. Some of the ground attackers can also be quite useful too. Some of the copy-pastes are also not necessary and can also be removed if needed; 3 of the jet fighters, the Ju 87 D-5, and all of the copy-paste premiums can easily be removed.

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The bombers would be a nice addition and yeah, if your tree is added, it wouldn’t stop new italian vehicles from being added. I am just of the mind that Italian vehicles should have a priority, especially because the Italian suggestions for air tree is quite big.

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You forgot the MiG-21F-13, just like gaijin forgot it in the german tech tree :(

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