Yeah I was going off prior memory of using the HSTV-L hull down plenty of times. Upon further inspection in the hangar for a bit the HSTV-L can definitely be overpressured by HEAT but the shot has to hit the turret cheeks for it to work generally speaking and I imagine the reason I thought the HSTV-L wasn’t easily overpressured by HEAT in this regard was because its not an easy shot to hit and most people weren’t doing it (or firing HEAT I guess) So yeah I’m definitely wrong about the HEAT thing, apologies.
Weird how I can admit fault and apologize but other people seem to spend hours daily on this forum just to shit talk and be toxic lol
This is not true at all. It’s much more reliable to take out someone’s barrel with the RoF the 2s38 has Vs the hstv-l
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You do realize the more rounds you put down range, the higher the likelihood of penning and killing crewmembers/crucial components? That’s a silly thing to say.
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A minute ago you were calling me toxic for pointing out you were wrong.
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You’re toxic because of how you reply to people, not what your underlying message is.
Also, being dual purpose and able to kill both tanks and aircraft makes it much much better? I don’t understand why you are acting like being able to kill helicopters in their spawn and low flying CAS does not matter when looking at how good a tank is?
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Being dual-purpose doesn’t increase BR otherwise M1A2 SEP would be 12.0 instead of 11.7 due to its proximity round.
And all of the SPAA equivalent to 2S38 are at lower BRs 8.7 - 9.0.
Almost every single top tier tank has some form of explosive shell. Unless you’re going to say HEAT doesn’t count, in which case I give up, as you’re just going to keep moving goalposts.
How exactly is that toxic? I literally predicted what your (faulty) argument was going to be. That’s it. From then you started name calling.
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That’s not the equivalent to a 57mm autocannon that fires proxi fuse shells with an IRST lead indicator? Why are you trying to play that off?
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You know both of you arguing over who is toxic or not is really not getting anywhere. Plus if you want to keep going on about it, go to DMs
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Because it wasn’t “goal post” moving? That is just your interpretation of this which is obviously biased… I already said that I had the inclination to believe the HSTV-L wasn’t getting overpressured by HEAT going by my experience playing it… you just assumed and then went on to shit talk and that’s why you’re toxic.
For the record, never insulted you once.
IRT*, no search functionality.
And yes, the 8.7 - 9.0 SPAA have proximity round leading just like 2S38, but also have a search radar.
@SlowHandClap
ADATS proves your statements wrong.
ADATS & 2S38 being treated identically is bias? lol
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Yes, but the 2S38 also has amazing mobility, crewless turret, and an amazing dart round to compliment said SPAA ability? Its the dual purpose that makes it need a BR raise…
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How so? Its a sub-10.0 tank destroyer with the capabilities of 11.7 SPAA.
The 2s38 is a 10.7 light tank with the capabilities of a 10.0+ SPAA.
The light tank designation means it gets scouting capabilities. The ADATS gains no benefit from being TD, it just means two nations don’t have a top tier SPAA for another few years.
We’ve also all forgotten the 2s28 has LWS. Like it has so many other strengths that everyone literally forgot it also has that advantage.
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2S38 has slightly more mobility than Strf 9040C, its closest analogue.
HSTVL has more mobility than every MBT in the game, which some of them, like Leopard 2K, have more mobility than all other light vehicles in the game.
83kph top speed, and a power to weight of over 25HP per ton.
Dual-purpose doesn’t increase BRs, it never has, otherwise ZTZ-57-2 would be 8.3 with the PT-76-57.
@SlowHandClap
2S38 has the SPAA capabilities of 9.3, OTOMATIC has a search radar and a bigger round which makes its SPAA capabilities superior to that of 2S38 around 9.7 - 10.0, its DM33 equivalent APFSDS round sadly has been used too effectively by players leading to its over-BR of 11.3.
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Still feel like the HSTV-L would do so much better in the 10.7-10.3 range as opposed to where it is currently ar.
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Well, the gun is massively underperforming at the moment. I’d rather they kept it at this BR and ungimped it, but it’s in the wrong tech tree for that treatment.
Currently it’s handicapped compared to real life by:
26 rounds instead of the 60 full capacity
Having much less penetration
Having a much slower rate of fire
Having less variety of ammunition (irl had access to proxy and flechette rounds).
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And its sad to think that they probably wont fix it ever because of how old the vehicles is
That seems like a you problem buddy. I’ve played some HSTV-L and it can easily work, especially against tanks that have 3 crew.
But your point of it being easy to kill with overpressure works for 2S38 as well. Someone that keeps spamming darts to your turret won’t be able to kill HSTV-L because commander doesn’t replenish, but 2S38 can be ammo racked through the turret as well.
As I said above, both of those are really good hull down going against darts, but overpressure easily defeats them both, so I’d have to say both of those have pretty similar hull down performance.
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