Gunner sits in the hull, so when your commander gets taken out you’re basically a vehicle with an unmanned turret.
I wouldn’t say that’s totally true cause I can kill them with HE shells to the front when I’m using my OTO.
you say this but go on to use an example of a rare shell. Most ammo fired at you is APFSDS and it’s pretty good at not dying to that in hull down
Yeah you are? You can frontally kill any MBT.
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Not many people have/use HE
Every tank has at least some sort of HE stock no?
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If you have to lose a crewman for it to be “unmanned” it doesn’t really count…2s38 has a completely invulnerable turret with all three crew completely safe.
People using HE shells on light tanks is not rare lol…the fact that proxy can outright kill you was just an example of how the tank doesn’t have this insane survivability you speak of.
Not really. Especially not as easily as the 2s38 can kill any vehicle it comes across at 10.0.
He’s basically saying that he doesn’t bother bringing HE shells, therefore no one else does either. Maybe he wouldn’t have a hard time killing hstv if he actually brought some.
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No.
No, I’m saying that AS WELL AS the fact most top tier does NOT get HE.
Almost every single top tier tank has some form of explosive shell. Unless you’re going to say HEAT doesn’t count, in which case I give up, as you’re just going to keep moving goalposts.
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Explain these then. Also there are special HE shells you can research for some MBTs as well.
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HSTVL is a drastically superior vehicle than 2S38.
HSTVL has over 50mm more pen, which is over 15% extra pen.
HSTVL is faster, has better optics, better armor, and is smaller.
The exclusive downside of HSTVL is gen 1 thermals, everything else HSTVL is superior to 2S38 with.
HSTVL is at least 0.7 BRs superior to 2S38, and IMO it’s 1.0 BRs superior.
Any post that claims 2S38 is anywhere close to HSTVL in performance is just a defense of 2S38 against legitimate criticism.
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Wow, razervon just admitted the 2S38 is undertiered. Never thought I’d see the day.
Great to see you making progress friend.
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“some form of” doesn’t count. Only HE can actually do damage to the HSTV-L in this tactic we are discussing. HESH can’t overpressure (and doesn’t work even if it did) and I don’t believe HEAT can overpressure the HSTV-L either.
I say all this despite what you said about “moving goalposts” because I am in fact… not moving goalposts. This was always the discussion…Stop being toxic
HEAT isn’t HE (and doesn’t act like HE either, not sure why everyone is pointing it out) and you did in fact point out the tanks that DO have HE. However, you cherry picked. I can find far more that don’t than do.
I went through all of the MBTs that are in top tier accept like 2 or 3 MBTs that had HEAT that was Italy Israel and France.
I’ve been saying 2S38 should be 10.3 since it was released.
Literally zero change in my opinion.
He’s claiming HEAT doesn’t count because “he doesn’t believe” it can overpressure. I guess he’s a perfect fit for GJN…
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Every single abrams lacks HE (I’m aware this is the same nation, it doesn’t matter nowadays because of mixed matchmaker being common in my experience, still worth bringing up)
Leopard 2A5/2A6 do not have HE, only their more modern modifications. (Germany)
A single (1) challenger 2 has HE (UK)
The Japanese do not have HE
Italy does not have HE
France does not have HE
Even Sweden’s 2A6 does not have HE, only their STRV122s.
You basically just copypasted a bunch of swedish leopards and russian MBTs to prove your point?
The 2S38 has a 300% fire rate which MORE than compensates for that small pen difference. Not only that, but the crewless turret, its ammo count, and its AA abilities make it much better in other categories. Saying the HSTV-L is “drastically superior” is quite literally a lie.
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I said I do not believe it can overpressure the HSTV-L in this situation… stop being toxic. There is ZERO need for it.