There is NOTHING that warrants that br spread! And one of them only carries 26 rounds, the other can spam all battle…
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26 rounds is more than enough for tanks, this isn’t a SPAA it doesn’t need a ton of rounds.
And your argument that 2S38 can waste more ammo if they want isn’t the good argument you think it is.
Even IF it took you 5 shots to frag a tank, that’s 5 frags per match if you live.
In reality, it should take 1 - 3 shots as you should be aiming for vulnerable positions or not firing to begin with as to keep your position secret so you can continue scouting with impunity… the primary role of a light tank.
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It’s funny that people defend the 2S38.
161mm of pen at 2000m is more than enough to penetrate almost every MBT’s weakpoints.
.5 second reload so you can adjust firing
3rd gen thermals so you can see anything on the map
148 rounds lol
Sorry but the argument that speed is such a big difference is stupid.
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Hey man, I suggest you read this post so you can identify these types of behaviors and not waste your time. People like this are more of a politician than anything else:
How is this not better than the HSTVL lmfao
XM274 was shooting projectiles at 1615m/s and 1633m/s 5 years before any of the documents that state the 1463m/s. Granted, its murky if those projectiles are XM885 or some early development of XM885.
And the 1 document that does give you 1463m/s also tests to 1646m/s. And the Fiscal year 81 or 82 reinforces the 1463m/s number.
As stated for the bazillion’th time, 1463 m/s is the safest number for Gaijin to go with. We know XM885 goes faster but when 3 different documents give you different numbers., Gaijin isn’t going to pick any of them and instead pick the safest option.
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Do you face enemies that stand still for 5 seconds without firing back? Did this game get that bad
Yeah im 99% sure he is either a developer or has some sort of disorder, that reminds me I need to block him lol
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how do you do that? I’ve been told by some people to do that but I don’t know where to find that option.
Hard to move when the first few shots disable the engine lol. Thing is just stupid
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Click on his name, then when it pulls him up click on it again and it give you options to mute or completely ignore him, it’s set to “normal” as default
ah, I see. Makes sense why he isn’t responding to my replies. I just find it funny how he ridiculed people for doing it to him but then proceeds to do the same for me.
Thanks though
Brother, maps dictate how any Russian tank plays XD -5 gun depression, and lack of reverse gear. And often times the gun breech being disabled also means my auto loader is out. Very rare this doesn’t happen. I do think the damage it a bit much as the littlest bit of spall disabled the whole system.
Speed survivability, penetration, etc
You can literally spit on the hstvl and the aiming drive is dead now. Offroad the frontal speed is about the same as a t80 which is 95% of the maps and you can’t even frontally pen a 2a7 in the lfp
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95% of the maps are city maps.
You can’t pen the lfp of a 2a7 with the 2s38 either…
But it’s good the hstvl got a nerf, for the longest time a penetration did nothing, and furthermore, 3bm60 and DM 53 often bounce off the Hstvl due to angle.
There’s like 4 maps that have roads as the main source of travel.
You can adjust for aim with the 2s38 much quicker since the reload is .5s instead of 1.5s.
The ammo quantity is 5.5x the amount found in the HSTVL.
The difference between the HSTVL and 2s38 in penetration values are naught at top tier.
The HSTVL aims for the same targets a 2s38 would.
HSTVL requires more than 2 shots to get through Spall and ERA from the side and one for a potential kill shot. That’s 4.5 seconds worth of time vs the 1.5 second it would take the 2s38.
4.5 seconds is much closer to an MBT’s reload than 1.5 seconds, so there is higher risk of a counter shot.
Also another mention is ERA. The abrams era does not have enough KE to even prevent one shot to the hull, whereas the t90 will reliably deflect 885.
Lastly and most importantly, there is no gunner in the turret of the 2s38 so don’t tell me the HSTVL is more survivable
HSTVL
2s38
almost no difference with a much faster fire rate.
HSTVL
2s38
Mind you 11.7 br vs 10.3. it’s absolutely ridiculous
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The Hstvl is good as is, I guess Germany’s Turm III should become a 11.0 then eh? I shot ERA directly on a T-90 with HEAT-FS went through fully and killed the whole tank.
It’s common knowledge Russian tanks have more side armor… but what will pen frontal weakpoints Better? Hstvl
Which has far more versatility in urban and open combat? Hstvl
Which has a higher sustained fire rate? 2s38
Let’s not forget, the 2s38 is pretty much a premium aa, which USA gets the Sgt. York, which has one of the best radars for spaa in game. It’s also been around a lot longer, and it can in fact kill a T-72 frontally…. So you’re really barking up the wrong tree.
I haven’t even spaded my hstvl yet and I find it quite good.
Not really considering the 2s38 can easily frontally pen every high tier MBT except the Leopard2/Strv122 pretty much the same as the HSTVL. IDK about Merkava’s, really can’t remember fighting many in the 2s38 or hstvl. The higher fire rate of the 2s38 also helps guarantee a higher likely hood of killing or crippling the target given how both platforms suffer from weak post pen due to being small caliber APFSDS
That’s highly debatable given the 2s38 has more ammo, a wider variety of ammo, an unmanned turret, faster fire rate, and better thermals… both tanks have strengths and weaknesses I would not say the hstvl is more versatile like it’s a fact
Ummm not a great comparison but I’ll go through it anyways. In a pure AA comparison the York wins but that’s barely given the 2s38 has better optics/thermals and a longer range higher damaging shell. But the 2s38 isn’t an AA in game, it can take a full load of APFSDS/APHE it can kill plenty of tanks and still engage air fairly well while the York can’t, it lost its 40mm AP a long time ago. Also the York has so little survivability it can’t even be quantified
Yeah no it can’t. Can it make a lucky meme shot on the top of the breech of a T series or bounce into the top hull? Yes it can. Can any SPAA 30mm or above also do this ? Yes they can. Ive done it and it’s happened to me but it’s exceedingly rare. 99/100 times T series beats York unless the T series player is very dumb or already crippled.
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You’re right’s maps dictate how any tank plays however Russian MBTs have been having no issues facing other MBTs with greater gun depression and a better reverse speed. Why? Lot of maps are very CQC, and the map design includes are gradually becoming flatter or there are there are many areas of the maps that don’t need that -10 degrees of depression. That is the point.
When the 2S38 got it’s internal modules added, it was a major nerf, what did they do? Uncapped the limitation with the ready rack. That is a major buff.
When the HSTVL got it’s internal modules added, it was a major nerf. It relies on light armor and empty spaces. What did they do? Nothing. As I said before I have no issues with the HSTVL being accurate but give it a buff to compensate. Giving it it’s accurate round (Delta 3) would be fair as it has enough pen and damage to be reliable but not OP. It still needs aim for weakspots and such.
Or I’m also okay with the HSTVL getting a larger ammo pool and faster ROF. Though this can be seen as historically inaccurate.
If the 2S38, only had VT rounds, no one would be complaining. The reason why it’s such a good tank is because it’s such a multi-purpose machine. At it’s BR, it can engage MBTs, light tanks, and helis/aircraft with ease. It doesn’t need to worry about ammo count.
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