All that green spots, if my 8.3 TURM III sees it then it will still be one-tabbed, not needing an 8.3 actually, King Tiger will do it at 6.7, wait… no need King Tiger, Tiger H1 or T-34-85 will OHKO it as well, doesn’t matter if its an Abrams, exposing that side of your Leopard 2, T-80BVM, Leclerc, and any other 12.0s will get one-tab bro, anything sees that side will KO it, that side of MBTs can’t even take a hit from PUMA, even the rattiest rat Fox will pen it bro
That’s my point. The HSTVL should be lower tiered. 10.3 or 10.7 max. Almost every 11.7+ tank is on par with the HSTVL’s off road speed but they have better pen, armor and thermals (this thing has gen 1) It’s in a dire need of delta 6 ammo which it has historically used that could penetrate nato heavy triple. I don’t know why Gaijin used the first generation ammo instead of the later version perhaps for balancing at the time. With the updated ammo and the aiming drive fixed, then it would be worthy of 11.7. It’s odd people are so defensive when it comes to fixing Us ground. Do you guys enjoy a challenge or seal clubbing? Between the Abrams being modeled wrong in three locations (turret ring, breach missing a chunk of armor, and the lower mantlet), the HSTVL, and Adats severely under-performing, ground isn’t fun for US mains. That’s why you see such an intensity of CAS, and US mains taking to the forums.
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At best the Hstvl would be a 11.3, anything lower is criminal. it’s fine where it is right now.
We agree to disagree
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Considering your stats are decently below average, I have to say you have to master its gameplay. It’s like the abrams, how everyone complains about it. Yet it was absolutely fine before the buff but nobody plays them right
Rich coming from a Russia/China main
China main??? Lmao I hardly have touched China. If anything I’m more a USA/ Russia main. Have top tier in both naval, ground, and air.
I’ll just leave this here.
I see, 5 premium US tanks with zero grinding for researching modifications. You don’t know the pain of laser range finders and m829a2 at the end of the research tree. Fine you’re a good player, I’ll give you that but that does not allow you to try and invalidate points because you’re “better”.
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Except the turret ring is bugged, the lower mantlet is bugged and the breach is completely missing part of it’s armor. Sure it’s fine if you play the Abrams like a light tank for which it is NOT.
Yea they’re bugged alright, eating every particle of spall
Keep in mind the 152mm dart went through the drivers arm, into the gunner leg, and into the commanders foot
I have played the squadron abrams, didn’t find it all that bad. Just had to be more precise until I got my apfsds
Plus the unrealistic 5.0 sec reload makes life easy
That’s how bad the Abrams model is lol.
Peep this when you get a chance. Like how was this missed?
Thank you for proving my point, like I said meme shots that any AA with 30mm or above can also do so really not worth mentioning. It would be one thing if you could replicate the shot every game (like when overpressure was broken) but you can’t anymore it’s not feasible especially against a moving target that is also trying to kill you
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Well, none of those shot I provided bounced. They purely exploded
Secondly, it’s very feasible, just aim… (you are a stabilized aa)
Lastly I disproved your point in its entirety. It’s not a hard thing to do in the slightest. And stacking over pressure does still work with the m247, because that’s how myself and my buddy in our matches were killing t-72s. Nope, didn’t use SAP just the HE-VT.
The fact you can do it even easier, and hit even odder spots is amazing.
You didn’t disprove anything, you’re trying to pass off a meme shot as a fool proof way to kill a T series in a spaa, and in your original context you were trying to argue it as some strength over the 2s38. Meme shots are not a reliable way to kill a tank and certainly aren’t worth mentioning. It effectively cannot kill a T series from the front except for the meme shot as I originally said and certainly not before a half competent opponent kills you.
Also you have 34 battles with 19 ground kills in the M247 how in the hell are you going to sit here and tell me it reliably kills T series from the front when you barely have killed anything with it to being with ?
EDIT: sorry I misspoke 19 air kills and 5 ground kills
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Because I have died to it, learnt he trick, killed enemies with that trick, and so have people I know. Lmao.
Yes, your right, my KDR is better than yours by a wide margin in the m247, and quite literally all the ground units I’ve killed in it were T-72s
You know, when out of the top 10 vehicles someone plays, 9 of them are premiums… that’s say something… have you any actual experience in a tech tree tank?
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If you even looked at my profile you’d see I have nearly top tier in 5 nations now.
Ah yes that’s my fault not the Brit’s constantly trying to pull insults just like the USA mains because no body can bring up a valid or strong argument why things should get certain rounds. Be a certain way, or be at a certain br.
The Hstvl needs no nerf. It’s not that bad, and I have a positive kd, even without it spaded, in fact it’s pretty much stock for the most part still.
i have a strange idea🤓🤞
as we know the delta3 from xm274 has a similar performance with the m735 ，and the delta6 has about 430mm penetration almost like 3bm42
so is it possible to improve the walker dog’s 76mm m464 apfsds and make it have the similar penetration with 3bm42，just like the delta6 ？
