How to kill iristT/pantsir/nasams combo on flat maps while flying su30?

MT is primarily IR guided
ML is the laser+GNSS variant

Ypu sneak up on them using what terrain there is, pop up while preflaring and throw as many KH-38s at them as possible before running behind cover

Or, you can jump them and toss a GPS bomb in the middle of them from up close

Cant you launch them without the IR guidance just like the spice bombs??

I dont really care which variant its used for GNSS, just focus on my point

Lock is required anyway

Exactly the missile I was speaking about…
As I stated:

I don’t know the reason, I just know that’s the reality.

There’s a reason the video you linked uses Kh-38MLs and not MTs.

Now that I think of it, what example of flat map?? because i do not think theres a map that flat.

There should always be some terrain to use.

Oh well its the MLE type then, my mystake

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All good.
Dunno why missiles can’t do the GPS trick if they have an IR seeker, but… they just can’t.
Hammers and Kh-38MTs both are weird in that regard.

Bombs work fine tho.

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Eastern europe iirc. Not only its flat, its filled with those 50-60m high baobab anti airs. Poland as well.
Those are 2 maps where I couldnt sneak up to top tier sams with av8b na and jdams. They just spot you through trees due to “realism” and send missiles. Other maps always have some good way to jump on spaa and smash them with gps bomb.

Upd. Tunisia is also pretty open (especially big variant). There is plateau tho but I dont think its close enough.

Well in eastern europe you can try to use the houses as cover and follow the river to avoid getting spotted, because in that map the spawn are very near the houses, so that impact the radar effective coverage (they literally would ahve to drive in the open to have a good view, and thats where you depend in your teamates).

About poland yeah that map its f- for CAS in top tier.

Anyway, not that many flat maps. No problem.

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yes, but you need LOS with KH-38MTs

probably just with programming in game / game logic preventing it

well id assume you have to adopt same tactic nations without Kh38MTs had to adopt when Pantsir released - fly low, close the gap and as such minimize missiles time to target. You lose on situational awarness and might not be able to target everyone as if you were flying high but you massively increase the chance of landing a hit.