How to Improve War Thunder

At the end of the day:

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No.

It is possible to spawn not just an air unit but an air unit with bomb/rockets after getting just an assist!

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It’s not the wider point, and you know it…

It wasn’t your argument to prove, so you’re just being argumentative and egotistical.

It is a game forum so I show what really happens in the game.

When someone doesn’t belive that it is possible to spawn an air unit after just getting an assist:

I’m always going to test it out and show the results!

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Again, not the wider point, and not your argument to come to the aid of…

If they were also so capable and it was that common, they’d be able to provide their own proof.

There is no “his” or “mine” proof, there is only what happens in the game and anyone can test it out!

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Oh there is… It’s their argument to prove… If you were so obvious to taking proof from others, then you wouldn’t be arguing as you always do…

After all, remember how I said about you needing to be harrangued into submission about the effectiveness of SPAAs, it wasn’t me that did that, but you took their proof, and refused to admit my points were the same…

Funny that.

Again, you didn’t need to prove it, but you did, they could’ve done it themselves had it been that common, or youtube videos about it as prolific as they made out.

You’re just trying to argue, and it’s just a hope that the mods actually see this, as it’s the commonality… Your drive to prove someone wrong, rather than actually discussing anything.

Sorry but I’m not going to destroy another thread because You just can’t admit being wrong and try to change the goalpost all the time. Everything is in this reply:

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See, avoid it all you want, but it’s the truth…

I got you, now stop harrassing me and trying to make out that I have to be wrong and that you discuss anything

The truth is that You were wrong and can’t admit it, nothing else, see above!

It is as if someone could just agree that he had no idea that You can actually spawn an air unit after just getting an assist is a thing, the whole bloating the topic would end a lot of replies before.

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Again, not your argument, they can fight their own battles.

Stop trying to corner me in your egotistical ‘I’m right, you’re wrong’ stupidty.

The end-all of this ‘forum’

This is forum about the game, You made a statement about the game and where wrong as proven by what happens in the game.

Noting to be ashamed of. We can just stop destroying another topic.

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You’re the only one trying hard to destroy the topic because you’re the one continuing the argument making out that I’m wrong for holding a based opinion, but don’t care to prove it to you because you won’t accept the proof regardless.

The proof you provide is only to prove me wrong, it’s not your argument to prove.

It’s just to make an argument, as you have done this entire thread. You are the destroyer of the thread because it was never about discussing anything, it was always about arguing and making out that you’re doing it for others to shield yourself from criticism.

‘Nothing to be ashamed of that you can’t make your own discussion and just end up arguing for others so self-righteously’

If it is like this, maybe some SPAAs should just not be brought into the game! Up Tier or not, its technically a plane hunter and not a tank destroyer and thats able to pack more punch than T-34s who are MEANT to destroy tanks, is just wrong.
But I get what you mean, still the problem with SPAAs, when you both see each other at the same time, its probably gonna kill you, because it shoots faster and can afford to miss, while a medium tank can’t.
And to the 120mm armor again: Yes, it is flat, but even tanks who can penetrate this and damage me, don’t kill me in one shot like this. The armor slows the ammo down and weakens the impact, so that often only 2-3 crew members are injured or maybe one is dead and im still able to get away.
A SPAA triggering its canons once and killing a good armored med tank is not right.

Not at all. They are capable of defending themselves and influencing the match, without being OP. They absolutely belong in the game.

The German 88mm and the American 90mm are legendary anti tank guns that started out as AA guns. Dual purpose is as old as armoured warfare. To hit a plane and hurt it badly, high velocity helps. It turns out that when you turn that weapon against a ground target, you can very well cause them the big ouchie, too.

Real war is much messier than the neat boxes and categorisations we use at our keyboards. And besides, WT is not real life. Sure, the designers of the ZSU-57 were not expecting it to have to shoot a Panther in the face, but the Panther was also not designed to go brawl around a tram wreck in CQC on Advance To The Rhine, for example. It’s a game. We almost never use vehicles “as intended” because gameplay circumstances are incomparable to real war.

Correct, but that is alright. You need situational awareness. Sometimes you will come out on top, sometimes not, that’s the nature of the game.

The ZSU cannot engage you without exposing its ammo for you to shoot. It’s tall, wide, and loud. You are in a Panther, a vehicle that concentrates the vast majority of its protection on the UFP, you have poor turret rotation, mediocre targeting speed, no reverse, no 50 cal… You need to play it accordingly, it’s not a tank to be reckless in.

This largely depends on their explosive filler and/or whether it ignites your ammo. Firing three consecutive salvos of two 57s helps with that.

120mm flat is not turret armour you can rely on at that BR, and the ZSU is basically a TD, so the point is moot really.

Your right and you brought really nice detailed information into your answer, love seeing another autistic war machine fanatic like this! I play all 4 Panthers in one deck, all spaded, because they are my favorite vehicle series, I know damn well how to play them. This SPAA is very dangerous, I just need to be careful and attack him out of the dark, to get a clean hit, otherwise hes faster.

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??? There are three double barreled Swedish spaa, and they can only be seen in full uptiers or higher…ZSU-57-2 has 151mm pen yea it’ll go through, veak 40 and itpsv leopard means ur doing something wrong

Give SPAA a arcade at type lead indicator under 500m, as an spaa perk

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would be nice