It already is and that needs to be fixed. Notice the payload and armament complaints above
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Fully agree - best example Me 410 B-6/R 3 at BR 5.0 in Air RB. Sucked into full uptiers whilst being basically the same plane as the 3.0 version with the 50mm…
I had a hell of them as support in 6 vs 6 matches. And about 10-20% of them still managed to get 1-2 kills as their enemies still saw headons with MK 103s in far inferior planes as a smart and viable tactic…
create a report to the gaijin that the plane does not have bombs or wing suspensions and provide evidence and sources, and maybe it will be fixed
Was done likee 3-4 years ago
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Missing ordnance are treated as suggestions.
Do you want this list only of the ones around 6.0 or for a particular rank?
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Key phrase: “in that BR range…”
Easy answer: All of the post war ones
Only the P-51H can be considered under tiered, it could go to 6.7. However most American pilots don’t know how to fly it.
Alright, so let’s look around 6.0.
P-51H - the best superprop in the game, not up for debate. Somehow same BR as the much worse Ta152C.
F4U-4B - this somehow dropped from 6.0 to 5.7 AFTER the guns were fixed and went back to onetapping people 2km away. It’s stupid fast, it’s pretty maneuverable, it even climbs well.
P-51D-30 - VERY competitive and can dogfight many fighters that it outspeeds anyway, namely 109s and 190s.
F8F-1 - stupid fast and has amazing climb rate especially at low alt. The only downsides are lack of high alt performance and energy retention. The engine overheating has been reduced significantly in a recent update. The firepower is a bit lacking but fires and engine/pilot snipes are so common that it doesn’t really matter.
F2G - arguably THE best 6.0 fighter. Not much needs to be said, it has a very powerful engine, it’s very fast, and the corsair airframe doesn’t let you down.
P-59A - it’s just broken lmao
AU-1 - if left alone in GRB, it can easily wipe out entire teams. Arguably just a better version of the AD-2/AD-4/AM-1 trio since you can dump the payload and be a Corsair instead of a slow attacker.
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You say those names like they are something special for their BR. LOL. Let me throw out a few more:
DO-335B2, FW-190 D-13, BF 109 K-4, TA 152, HO 229 V3, Me 262, Dolgushin’s La-7, Yak-3 (VK 107), Su-9, Spitfire F Mk XIVc, Plagis’ Spitfire Mk XIVc, Spitfire F Mk XIVe, Spitfire F Mk 22, Spitfire F Mk 24, Attacker FB 1 and FB 2, A21RB, J21RA… Not to mention the metric ton of lend lease vehicles that all the other nations get from US.
The US has plenty of competition.
I stopped playing the F4U 4B after I spaded it. It was simply too easy to play especially in those 6v6 matches with 4x 288s where I can out-dogfight a 109 K4 (and outspeed it anyway because of course I can), outspeed a 152H, and almost onetap 288 wings off. Both of those planes are considered quite good for this BR but I can just shit all over them.
Of course, if you’d like to write… whatever that is, and pretend you’ve made a good argument, by all means keep thinking USA isn’t just undertiered to shit and playing on easy mode compared to everyone else that isn’t using a Yak3U or VK107.
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LOL. A German main saying that USA is easy mode? That’s rich. Keep telling yourself that.
I main japan now. There’s nothing much I want from germany anymore aside from going back to the vehicles I enjoy sometimes. By contrast, I’ve unlocked the entire japan air TT but haven’t even gotten the F-104G.
Unlike USA, germany doesn’t have a plane at 3.7 (P-51C) that can outspeed a 109 K4. Or at 3.3 (P-51). Or at 4.0 (P-63A-10). Or at 4.7 (F4U-4).
Sure must be nice being able to disengage from anything by flying in a straight line. Most other nations have to work for it.
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Just stop it man.
Every decent pilot knows that values in stat cards or in the wt wiki should give you an idea how the plane performs, but most of them were not accurate, either because they vary at different altitudes or the were the result of specific test parameters like fuel load.
To give you an example: Just watch this replay , skip to 10 minutes and use the player view of the premium P-51 D-10. According to all chat he checked wt wiki and decided to dogfight a B7A2 as “wiki says 28 sec turn time, i got this” - and a minute later “shit, wiki lies”.
So as long as your opinions are not based on actual knowledge - they are just opinions.
Seeing you posts in this topic as a whole you try to transfer a your personal “you” problem (=underperforming in US aircraft and in general) into a “them” problem (=Ju 288s are too fast, US fighters are not undertiered, etc.).
Seeing the topic of this thread it would be great if you can contribute to it - or just stop it.
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First off, every plane has optimal altitudes and speeds for turn fighting. To pretend that the stat card is irrelevant because you play your planes sub-optimally is ridiculous.
Second, I have the stat cards and my opinion. What do you have? Only opinion. Furthermore, I never said that American planes were under-tiered. I was only talking about the Ju 288c until you both brought them up.
Yes, I deeply care about the JU 288c because it is causing me to perform poorly XD. Hahaha.
I think the JU 288c should go up because anyone playing Germany in that BR range has to deal with 4 selfish idiots playing JU 288s while everyone else is playing fighters. It has nothing to do with how I perform with UK or US. As a US main, I love it when I see JU 288s. That is why they need to be obliterated; they completely slant win rates in favor of the US and UK teams.
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I do agree that the current Ju 288 pilots are (on average) not really potential Nobel prize winners but as written earlier:
As written earlier:
So the “problem” is just the result of multiple reasons, none of of them is connected to the BR of the Ju 288.
Without solving the root cause (= small and unbalanced teams due to historical MM and absence of experienced axis pilots) you are just shifting the issue higher in BR without solving it.
The Ju 288s would still reach their bases and drop. Same as today.
Even in case gaijin would follow this - the most obvious result is that a lot of axis pilots would rejoin 5.0 fighters and raise their BRs within weeks to 5.3 - here we go again.
So your proposal is just another example of “there are no easy solutions of complex problems”…
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That’s not true at all. The Vautor is a great example of fixing this in practice. There used to be 3-4 Vautors every match, but after they removed its air spawn and put in a lot of fighters that would decimate it before it got to bases they disappeared from the matchmaker. Further, I already suggested nerfing its SL/RP gain so that even if it did reach bases it wouldn’t matter. Since Gaijin does not intend to remove bomber air spawns at lower tiers, moving them up or making them less effective grinders are the only options.
This is the problem… You said that I am trying to find excuses for my allegedly bad performance (see below) but you are trying to find every half-baked excuse to justify the problems resulting from the Ju 288 other than the glaringly obvious. You’re basically saying to your team, “It’s not the fault of my Ju 288 guys, its the matchmaker’s fault for not giving us enough pilots to make up for my non-contributions to the battle, and the fact that you are all noobs, and because Gaijin put American planes too low.” This is why I said that you’re not looking at this objectively. The irony here is that you’re so absorbed in protecting the Ju 288 and hating on the US that you missed the entire rationale for moving it up, which is to make things better for Axis pilots.
It looks like that you struggle with in-depth analysis of complex issues and actually coming to the “right” conclusions as you think my or your pov on certain aspects would have any impact on gaijin.
In order to end this pointless exchange some points to think about:
- As long as gaijin is selling Ju 288s like sliced bread there won’t be any actions regarding SL or RP modifiers. I can’t remember any premium that saw reduced modifiers; asking for this looks pointless. The main reason for being attractive is that they give a 90% guarantee to gain a profit even if immediately killed after base drop.
- Germany (as one of the most played nations) has in prop BRs no real effective premium, as Ground RB places iconic tanks like Tiger II, etc. in the same BR range and the plane is actually useful there, it is logical that there is and will be a demand for it.
- Your comparison with jet bombers is nonsense. If the average US team would be smarter there would be more guys using an AD-4 or an AM-1 - both planes are capable of intercepting and killing Ju 288s before they drop on most maps. So the tools are there, but almost nobody is using them.
- Changing nothing is the best option for gaijin here. Why? They sacrifice a few German/Italian 5.0 players trying to spade their planes (the experienced avoid this BR range) in exchange for having happy Ground RB players making profits with Ju 288 and happy US fighter noobs (as the experienced avoid this BR too due to lack of challenge) using those matches as (almost) free grinding event - without having the fear of having fights on equal numbers and getting clapped.
- So keeping those small 6 vs 6 matches serves multiple purpose. I mean this discussion is at least 2 years old, just look at the old forum. Gaijin is not stupid - if they wanted to change something it would have been done.
I am not defending any Ju 288 pilot, not even the plane in it current form. The decision to put it there as a premium and to invent 4 respawning bases as a pure grinding tool was together with other stuff like mixed MM, adding useless because irrelevant nations, real shatter, 16 vs 16, stupid design on maps, etc just aimed to allow more people flooding the mode without actually willing to play it as intended or to improve.
Hate on US: Not really. I explained earlier why US as a popular nation is flooded with rookies. The fact that most of their planes are undertiered is just a result of this and the fact that some of them suffer from the wt meta (fast climb and good turn) and are boring to fly if you want to use them as intended.
Better for axis pilots: Lmao. The old world with full lobbies playing axis vs allies was boring like hell. It didn’t matter that US planes were better on paper, the average axis pilot was simply more experienced, their planes had better climb and were much easier to use. Especially small nations like Italy or Japan had excellent pilots and stomped US teams like hell.
Imho the mixed MM was purely invented to help to increase the WR of US planes.
Moving up: Even if i explained above that a 0.3 BR increase would not solve the issue as the current 5.0 axis fighters will perform better and will be uptiered quite soon you still come with this.
A last word:
I kindly ask you to stop quoting me. Either you have a very bad translator or you are deliberately ignoring my arguments. A discussion has not the goal to convince others that they are wrong; in a best case both parties are reflecting their own povs later and rethink their positions.
So no offense, but i see no additional value for me in continuing this exchange.
Have a good one!
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