Guys i just find out how these battle ratings come from. Maybe. Let’s just discuss.
The BR is mainly based on some “efficiency” of RP or SL(just say, reward).
If a plane kills, players get reward; if booms bases, players get reward; if goes air to ground strike, players get reward as well.
This explains why the F104 family has poorer air to air ability but at high battle rating(espacially TAF ones) because they usually eat the bases easily. Any why some strike aircrafts have higher BR that previous version because they get improved A2G weapons so players can get more from the ground AIs. Imagine a A-10 eating 20 tanks and get 2k points.
This seems there’s nothing to do with tags like “jet fighter” or “strike aircraft”. Everything is from economic logic, and “how much contribution it makes for winning” or “how many enemies it kills” seem to be secondary factors.
So when u find a fighter sucks at A2A, u may actually flying a boomer(from gaijin’s point of view).
Of course there’re some exceptions, maybe forgot vehicles or sth.
All above are my personal inferences and thoughts. What’s ur opinion?
It’s based purely off of pre multiplier SL earnings, and your conclusion is exactly why certain planes are overtiered. They simply earn more, and it doesn’t matter if they are good or not.
That’s true.
Though doesnt explain why the Tornados are all a different BR. Honestly, how they calculate BRs, especially for ground attackers never made sense to me
It does when you consider they are all in different trees and some of those trees attract different skill levels due to being more or less “flavour of the month”
So Tornado IDS and Tornado IDS (1995) within the italian TT have different BRs because?
That could be used to explain why the WTD61 is lower than the otehrs, But why the ASSTA1. MFG, GR1, IDS, and IDS (1995) are different BRs is just… wierd
Italian tornado IDS at 11.3 has only basic bombs, but its upgraded version, which is at 11.7, has laser guided bombs. If u ask gaijin why is that, they can say u’re supposed to kill more ground AIs. But how they really think nobody knows.
Anyway this’s just my inference :)
I said there’s some exceptions, and this could be one of them. Actual reason may be forcing players use GE to buy the modifications(same for some other nations’ toptier strikers).
Eh… if that is the reason for it, then its pretty poor, because you can only carry 4 GBUs but 12 unguided bombs and you have CCIP. So in theory a Tornado without guided bombs would kill more AI Targets and probably kill them quicker too.
Sad fact…
My friends all treat this as joke.
But guided bombs smart, iron bombs dumb!
Honestly - what do you expect ppl to say here that you can’t see for yourself?
My guess is that they aren’t performing badly enough to be moved down even when they objectively should be.
Yeah… I reckon they used the WTD61s performance as the baseline for the unguided ones and so is naturally much worse being a premium
Yes, and it doesn’t matter the source. Just as you said.
It’s not so uncommon… if they reach there and it’s still game. My biggest problem with the plane is that from the 33 games in it, at least half i haven’t played it …either my team ended the match before or as soon i got there, or i was 1v5 at the end…still trying to reach the front!!
If it gets there, expect at least 1500-1800. When…if…
The game has MiG 27 as jet fighter…when it’s a strike plane. Imagine…
Also , jet fighter isn’t a role.
You have multi-role fighter (when it can do multiple roles at 1 go) .
Fighter-bomber (when it’s a fighter turned or designed for strike missions as well or primarily, but can still be used as fighter ) .
Interceptors ,usually long range missile fighters designed to detter enemy from being a threat - In ww2 and pre-Vietnam era had other basis though, around bombers mostly . Pre-Vietnam there were not long range missiles, so you had to get to the bomber fast as well.
Superiority fighter…that’s the one that will do the dogfight and clean airspace from any threat (the role of this and interceptor , the more modern you go the more “the same” it is) .
Then you got bombers (strategic or tactical or frontline).
Then you have strike fighters and interdiction fighters .
Strike fighters are usually multirole planes that can do A-A (F-15E ) but they are heavily boosted in their A-G capabilities.
Interdictors are for deep striking behind enemy lines , think of it as mini-bombers , like Tornado IDS/Grs and F-111 (though 111 is a strategic bomber as well because of nuclear strike capabilities) .
Then there is SEAD , but in modern times most of multiroles and interdictors can do it .
Also there is CAS, planes that primarily designed to assist ground forces. Yes you can do it multiroles or strike planes or interdictors…but it’s much more easy to do it in a plane designed and armed for that role like A-10/Su-25 which have more emphasis on survivability as well.
But yea, MiG 27 is a jet fighter and A-10 is a Strike fighter…
See the difference, F-4E is a multirole fighter (the first actual multi) … F-4J is an interceptor/superiority fighter, that can do fighter-bomber if needed (no guided weapons). F-14A is an interceptor/superiority fighter, F-14B is a multi-role.
F-104A is interceptor, F-104C is a fighter-bomber, F-104G is a fighter-bomber/interdictor , F-104J interceptor, F-104S fighter-bomber/interceptor. In the case of 104s, there were never superiority fighters…people say “go kill air targets” , “ok going to the bombers -pointing Yak 28 - keep the fighters off me” …
The plane had NOTHING to do with air superiority and fighting other fighters. Even historically , a clash of an interceptor 104A vs point defence/superiority fighter Mig 21FL resulted in 104s retiring. You can 3d party as with anything else on hands in the 104 , you can’t be air superiority as a role by nature.
So just ignore the jet fighter role.
It is a grind game. And the ratings are grind ratings.
Well, you can always join customs…
This is imho not correct regarding the F-111 - the word strategic is connected to the targets (importance and how deep within enemy territory) and not to nuclear on conventional attack profiles.
Look up the Nuclear Sharing NATO concept - even non-UK Tornadoes and Nato F-16s from several countries are capable of carrying nukes and have / had nuke carrier roles - like their F-104 predecessors.
You might look up design, development and combat sorties of the F-84 Es. They were used as escort fighter and strike fighters and were the first jet fighters with nuclear Mark 7 bombs (F-84 Gs).
Imho your whole text tries to describe the chaos of assigned aircraft roles as gaijin has failed to adjust the (prop) classifications into the post WW 2 era.
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Without considering specific aircraft (interceptors like EE Lightning or CAS like A-10/Su-25) the majority of modern aircraft have to fulfil multiple roles as they are very expensive hardware.
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It boils down that these classifications make often sense at prop BRs as they determine which kind of air spawn they receive - which has a severe impact on the effectiveness of those planes.
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But - if you look close enough you might acknowledge that gaijin spreads these airspawns mainly as balancing factor and as marketing tools in order to support sales of certain premium vehicles.
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Most guys overlook that the plane class also affect the necessary SP you need to use them in ground RB.
Have a good one!
Yes this has it’s own variant classified as strategic bomber , FB-111A. Nothing to do with Nuclear capability, you are correct, my mistake.
That’s a fighter-bomber.
I’m just saying that a plane’s role assignement in WT is very generic comparing with the roles in RL.
Nothing to do with how GJ uses it (airspawns/SP etc.)
Despite this is going off-topic:
Imho you mix up designated development and majority use. The F-84 was a designated fighter aircraft but mainly used as fighter-bomber as they were outperformed by Ta-183s …ehm MiGs 15s with a British engine.
With your logic a P-47 is a fighter-bomber too. There are a lot of Jug enthusiasts that would like to have a word with you.😊
I mean they were withdrawn from A2A combat in the ETO (except 2 groups) as the P-51s were seen as better fighters - same happened with F-84s getting replaced by F-86s.
In any case: Have a good one!