Only one I know of that’s moved up is the PZG09. Some of them have even moved down like the M163.
Aww yes, my strong controversial opinion of toptier is a hot mess which should be avoided.
Gepard has gone up, ZA-35 has gone up, all the marksmans have gone up, faclon and DCA have gone up, etc
Most of them used to be far more undertiered
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They haven’t moved up in months. There’s many vehicles that Gajin just won’t move up for some reason despite how painfully obvious it is that they’re OP. That’s why VK3002 is still 5.0
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They literally just moved the ZA-35 up.
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Amazing, they moved up one singular vehicle.
So? You act like they never do it. They do. Stop whining.
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If they moved average vehicles that are performing fine at their current BR, up monthly, then said average vehicles would be at top tier before summer next year.
Point stands that they are being moved up, and nerfed in some cases, stop complaining when gaijin is actively agreeing with your opinion and acting on it
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The sheer irony here is that the Falcon is currently using incorrect ammunition velocity and therefore penetration - the barrels of its guns and that of the Fox are not the same. I remember reading a post showing proof the Falcon’s APDS should be penetrating around 145mm flat, so even in a 7.3 case the thing would still melt almost every heavy from the sides barring odd cases like the IS-3, IS-4M, and Maus. T95 might also be an issue as only the cupola side of the hull is flat and non-spaced.
And the same correction to its ammunition would make the APHE everyone screams about penetrate considerably more, if the upcoming changes to the Coelian are any indication.
I seriously think there is no practical difference between IFV autocannon light tanks and SPAAGs. If the former is allowed to run around like they own the place at 7.0+, there is no sane justification to artificially curb SPAAGs’ ability to kill tanks in any form.
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XD I guess if anyone says the Yak-9K is too powerful and Gajin isn’t doing anything about it, that’s just whining too 🤡.
Ahh yes, “nerfed it” by limiting the APDS belt which wasn’t even the issue to begin with. Gajin shills are honestly wild.
So upon doing just some very simple Google searches, I see that quite literally every high tier autocannon used on SPAAGs is missing APDS rounds (in some cases multiple kinds like FAPDS), and those which do have them are artificially nerfed to tiny emergency ammo counts.
- 20mm M168 found on M163, Stormer AD, Hovet, and Machbet
- 20mm Rh202 and identically-sized guns found on other platforms are missing access to APDS in many cases.
- 23mm found on the Bosvark & various ZSU-23s
- 25mm Chinese AA gun is apparently also missing APDS…
- 30mm 2A38 cannons found on the 2S6 & Pantsir
- 35mm guns on the XM246 and ZA-35 are missing the APDS all other 35mm Oerlikons have.
- 40mm Bofors L/70 cannons found on the Lvkv 42, VEAK 40, M247, AMX-13 DCA-40, Leopard 40/70, among others
While not APDS, 57mm on the ZSU-57s are missing APCR rounds with the same pen as that on the T-34/57 Mod 1943. Similarly the Ostwinds are missing APCR, as is the Coelian.
With all the IFVs running around like they own the place, I really do not understand why SPAAGs are artificially held back like they currently are. IFVs are better than most tank-killing SPAAGs due to having missiles and sometimes additional guns (BMP-3 for instance), as well as being smaller and faster in most cases.
SMDH…
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Missiles don’t make up for the lack of nuclear APHE
Only person shilling for gaijin is the one who wants rank 5/6 SPAA to go up to a BR and rank where they cost more RP/SL, which is a long term benefit for gaijin as people are incentivised to buy more premium time and spend more money in order to research it.
Campaigning for a normal Gepard above 8.7 is effectovely shilling for gaijin
Some IFVs like the 685 have a normal tank gun in addition to an autocannon, which can shoot APHE.
Missiles can penetrate way thicker armor much more reliably than the funny APHE belts. With those you’re restricted to odd bits like cupolas. IFVs are faster, have lower profiles, have greater flexibility, and several also get access to anti-air capabilities in the form of HE-VT and radars.
Increasing BR doesn’t increase price.
Thing is, funny APHE belts can nuke som1 from a bad angle across the map in a fraction of a second, and issue 0 punishment for missing.
You might be able to kill more enemies with ATGM, however fighting 35mm sucks 10x more cause your enemy can miss 50 shot and still win just cause 1 single shell hit.
New BRs will sometimes lead to new ranks, as per your proposition to raise all 35mm to top tier, they would also have to go up in rank
Objectively false, and if it were true, I’m sure the Oerlikon R&D department would want a word, since making their 35MM API-T capable of that amount of damage to moderately armoured vehicles would be a major business driver
Well, i switched from IR to Photocontrast lock… Really good SAM.