Having recently watched a friend try to get into Warthunder with the decision of ONLY playing with HOTAS and not MnK…
This is a terrible idea.
Tutorials seem optimized for AB/RB and break when you try to do new player stuff with sim controls and they couldnt even skip them because “new player must do this”
It was also all useless. I had to teach them for around an hour’s session to cover the things they actually needed to know and properly (spin recovery is actually taught kinda wrong in the tutorials.)
(also why are new players forced into biplane arcade? That was a disaster to watch lmao.)
Friends don’t let friends hurt themselves like this.
I would hope that would be fixed before they added unskippable tutorials.
But again, I have to ask…
Who hurt you so, that you would just straight to sim controls when you don’t even know the game itself? MSFS might be one thing, but WT?
(I say jumping straight to the Sweden tree to re-teach myself…)
At the end of the day, though, something needs to be done about people reaching top-tier and still not knowing the absolute basics.
Sure, maybe we’ll lose the players who don’t want to learn things.
Or those who don’t have the patient to go to driving school.
But for those who stick around?
Surely, the education would be rewarding, and might even make gameplay even more interesting for everyone.
the tutorial would have to show all the keybinds you need to set up, what they do, and some theory.
there could also be an actual gameplay test, but again it would need to make the player bind all essential keybinds to teach basic usage of things like radar.
obviously this all would only matter if the tutorials werent horrible. if they just write some text for the sake of it, it will be a boring and useless waste of time.
it needs to exist to teach players how to play
that SPAA player in the clip was one thing. noob premium players are another thing entirely, these players do unimaginable things because of inexperience.
there should be an hour of mandatory teamplay tutorials specifically for these players
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Watching other Gepards shoot at a Mig-15 4 miles away, and not only that, firing a nice long stream so he cannot miss it is always so annoying, especially when I know those Gepard players are the same kind of ppl you see complaining abt CAS on the forums.
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They wanted to play with me and recently got their stick replaced. Mostly played space games beforehand. I told them to use MnK at first but refused saying “it feels wrong.”
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there are no gepard players complaining on the forum
That’s on them then, lol. You did warn them!
That being said, yeah, the tutorials do need work (and better Sim accommodation.)
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The logic classes are screaming in my brain about the “no x are y” statement
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there is no way to prove that all the people complaining on the forum are inexperienced gepard players, and it is also unrelated to the problem
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True, but that’s also true of the claim that none of them are, and no one claimed all inexperienced gepard players were complaining.
The opposite of “all” is “any”, not “none.” (and vice-versa - the opposite of “none” is also “any”, not “all.”)
But like you said, that’s not the argument this thread is about.
EDIT:
Yeah, that set theory stuff is not quite true. If I said “some” instead of “any”, it would be (and even then with caveats.)
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Either way, Pangolin never made the claim that “all inexperienced Gepard players are complaining on the forum” - they stated that there is a subset that does.
“No gepard players are complaining on the forum” is an unprovable claim.
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word play doesnt matter much, pangolin implied people complaining about CAS on the forum tend to be unskilled players who die to CAS because of their own skill issue.
but this isnt the case, its just cope from a CAS player
“tend to” and “all are” are not the same statement.
The former being one that I just so happen to agree with.
“cope”
You saw the video, right?
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it practically means the same thing here, it would be wrong in both cases
yes i saw the video, i was talking about it
Except there are a lot of people who complain about CAS just because they’re salty they died to a plane.
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Can you prove to me, then, that the trend is false?
What you’re doing is gatekeeping and overly defining the discussion to make it about top teir.
It’s a feature.
Again, you actually are by making it about top teir. Hence the term, gatekeeping.
There is only one person who’s proclaiming lies right now, and they’re also the one who is arguing the point so vehemently.
Yes, I understand bad faith premises and arguments alike, and there are many here who truly do ague in bad faith…
After all, many of them are just trying to make out that I am wrong, for holding an opinion.
For someone who may well not be of native English, I’d recommend being tolerable.
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Back to the “Some think it’s ok to have hard counters some don’t” xD
But considering ground only we still have autocannon spam against light armour and everyone else against missile carts so… bruh
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not the same thing as being “incompetent gepard players”.
i never denied anyone is salty because of planes, thats why i want TO.
i dont know what trend youre talking about
i could say the same thing about you, because youre ignoring top tier and “gatekeeping” the discussion to make it about low tiers.
if you at least acknowledged that there are issues at top tier, or specified that you only mean low/mid tier when saying there are no issues, i wouldnt say anything
didnt say CAS isnt a feature, if it wasnt a feature we probably wouldnt be talking about it…
ok and just for that reason youre gonna deny what im saying, just because you dont care about toptier?
this one is certainly you, i provide explanations while you spam nonsense. you might be talking about lower tiers, but i dont know since you dont specify anything
holding an opinion isnt wrong, but the opinion itself may be wrong.
your uneducated opinion on top tier CAS is wrong, and again, if you were mainly talking about lower tiers, you didnt specify
no problem but if someone misunderstands what you meant to write, its not their fault
exactly, its impossible to balance CAS. there will always be a hard counter, its why TO is needed.
the dynamic of rock paper scissors shouldnt exist in a videogame where skill is supposed to matter.
im not saying that GRB shouldnt exist, but there should be an option to play actual ground battles