So then please explain to me if a person sitting there is able to shoot at You while You can’t shoot at them back or disable their gun and if such position doesn’t allow You to flank them or if that position controls the whole map.
Doesn’t change anything in what I have said.
Thats completly flat part of the map and its an urban area with multiple approach venues, most if not all providing cover for approaching tank.
This is legitimately the first time im hearing about this location being sniper position that can contest large chunk of map.
Sands of Sinai was always a long range map, but I struggle to remember a single position that would require CAS to clear out and couldnt be cleared without flanking along the middle rocks.
Aight I hoped into custom battle and loaded up abandoned factory. Ive located 7 possible positions you could be talking about that fit your description - sniper position inside a building. All of these offered only higly specific sightlines.
Four in the northern part of the factory basically allowed only for sightlines towards the northern spawn, with most of the view being blocked by the buildings at B5/6, building at C5, and silos at D5, with one of the positions also allowing for sightline towards B.
Out of three in the souther part of the factory, only two actually offered sightlines towards the southern spawn. the one one the right side E6 only allows for sightlines to the left and to the right, but not directly towards the southern spawn.
In precisely one of these locations, ther was enough cover so that the tank didnt sit there exposed.
None of these locations covered all the approach venues towards A.
All of these locations could be cleared by either outsniping the camper, or simply flanking him.
So Im gonna say you made unfounded claim.
I did play WoT for 7 years before migrating over to WT. WoT isnt campfest due to lack of CAS. WoT is campfest due to tanks having HP systems, so one-shots are rare, even on light tanks, and one tank with fast enough reload can hold off several tanks; as well as the terrible spotting system which allowed for tanks like E-25 sitting completly invisible some 150m from your tank while still being able to attack.
WoT gameplay actively discourages aggresive manuevers unlike WT.
When they had more arty it was less of a camp fest.
I’m well aware.
However my point is TD are far more prominant campers than lights, which results always in a stalemate.
without cas to dislodge a tick which you cannot get out (in WoTs case ARTY) they are allowed more freedome to camp
It never used to , until they nerfed the nuts off of arty and such.
Why does this take me to a duran duran song xD
Warthunder hasn’t had the chance to see what would happen with a tank only outwith one event which was binned due to not being monitarily worth it.
They have stated many times, that they wont implement a TO mode as well.
That is NOT where TF2 went wrong.
Unless Gajin decided to do something actually reasonably fit once a reverted the SP change before rethinking their approach to balancing.
Can you prove that statement please?
looking at my date of registration on WoT, I played from 2012 to 2017 (so five years, not seven as i initially stated). arty was THE most infuriating part of the campfest - some dude just watching hentai on his second monitor, playing what was essentialy a point-and-click adventure instead of the game, with birds eye view of the battlefield in the real time even with WW2 arty…yeah no thanks. Never again.
Im sorry but you yet have to provide an example of position that can be cleared with CAS only.
Again, I actively played from 2012 to 2017 and most matches were either quintessential trench warfare for the first 10 minutes before someone got lucky with spotting; or corner camping for the first 10 minutes of the match if it was city map before someone finally left the heavy tank/tank destroyer UFC octagon victorious and opened a flanking route.
On rare occasions, there was a map that allowed you to actually push through after initial clash like Sacred Valley temple area (had to google name of this one up, apparently its been long removed lol. im old).
My experience playing WoT was vastly different to warthunder, where aggresive pushing and flanking is the name of the game.
tis a meme.
and we know this how? Clearly theres demand, all gaijin has to do is to provide supply, and they can do at minimal cost when they can just copypaste standard GRB code but remove plane spawns.
Hell, you can currently set up TO only game in customs by deselecting checkbox for allowed
vehicle classes.
Like in the example I provided earlier to pangolin, say you have 1000 players in GRB. 800 of them spend money on the game, remaning 200 are dissatisfied with current state of the game so they wont spend a dime.
Why wouldnt gaijin want these 200 players to spend their money on warthunder if all it takes is to supply them with a game mode with minimal costs? By not meeting their demand, they wont get them to spend money on warthunder; in fact they might lose them entirely to competition. Not catering to demand does not make sense from business standpoint.
As ive read in one naval thread, Gaijin back in 2016/7/8(?) also denied ships like Yamato and Iowa from ever being added due to them supposedly not fitting the warthunder format.
Obviously, market and demand changed over the time, so they adapted with their supply.
There was advanced game-mode test where CAS costed more than 1000 SP and one team was defending while other was attacking.
There was no issue with “stalemate” even as the mode nature suggested that something like that would happen.
People don’t need CAS.
None of those need CAS to counter.
there is no reason why it should be too late for a tank-only gamemode
once again youre showing that you would post anything because youre terrified of having less bugs to squash with your CAS.
and since you love to fail to interpret whats being said, i didnt mean to say that all ground players will migrate to TO and mixed battles will die.
and in case it did happen, it would confirm the obvious, which is that a majority of ground players dont give a shit about CAS or related gameplay features
Going by that logic . . .
You can theoretically shoot down any WW2 plane with a roof mounted machine gun, so SPAA is unnecessary.
Oh dont get me wrong.
Im holding a position that CAS can clear a position more effectively and faster than tank, but I doubt that theres single position on all of the maps in game that can be cleared with help of CAS only (or rather, that CAS is neccesary) as An Pigeon claimed.
I never explicitly stated with cas only.
I stated that several maps would need an overhaul due to inherently over power positions which CAS is used to remove them.
Wording is everything.
There might not be any spots where it’s 100% impossible to kill any tank of any skill level, but there’s plenty of maps with certain spots for certain tanks where killing the camper is near impossible for an average or even above average player unless the camper screws up MASSIVELY.
This is what makes CAS such a great balancing feature. It levels the battlefield no matter how OP the tank or the spot is.
aight, you didnt say it directly, i acknowledge that.
But if you think theres exist a power position that necessities use of CAS (power position which CAS is used to remove) and map rework would be required for such position in a mode without CAS, you are pretty much implying it.
You cant have power position that would require map rework for mode without CAS and at the same time claim CAS isnt neccesary to clear it.
Either such position doesnt require CAS to clear it and as such can be cleared with tanks only, meaning map rework isnt required, or
such position would be impossible to clear out without CAS, hence neccesiting the map rework.
Had to see this one in test drive.
Yes, for locking down the south spawn, this position indeed is powerful so you are correct in that regard.
BUT
you are entirely exposed to counterattack from E/F 5/6
so to call such position
would be overexaggeration.
Which indicates that this positions can’t be taken care out without help of CAS which is wrong.
Simple HE would destroy You there.
Like with everything that “needs” CAS to take care of it.
Or will actually force people to learn the maps and how to go around their problems.
That’s why DIRCM helicopters are the ones being used to abuse ground.
Someone just doesn’t want to play aircraft, it’s not hard to understand that.
The 8,8cm Flak’s cannon is the perfect height to allow me to stay in the lil ridge. An Su-152 tried to flank me from the right and a Sherman tried flanking from the left but failed.
The Sherman tried to shoot me but hitting the tiny area above my cannon just isn’t reasonable for a new or average player.
The Su-152 was audible long before he had a firing position so, iirc, he died as he rounded the corner.
That’s not an exaggeration, especially considering that was 4.0. The only tank that even let alone damaged me was a Btr-152. If it wasn’t for CAS, I would have been able to continue spawncamping till the match ended.
lmao
A simple HE would end this
I do agree with Ckasaron though. Adding TO would make it a precedent for smaller groups to also start crying to have their own mode minus x-vehicles. It also wouldn’t address the problem people have with SPAAs having the absolute ability to just shred tanks. “Oh, you could just nerf them and take their belts away in that mode”, I think that’s a little bit too short of a viewpoint. Also starter and endgame SPAAs became absolute worthless to grind since they don’t do anything half the time. Essentially these tt-branches of the tree would just sit there and became useless. Giving every player the ability to defend himself against CAS is objectively the better purpose. Sure, I don’t like playing aircraft myself, but if I would be given the opportunity to jump into a CAP-plane and get rid of my CAS oppononent so I can continue playing the round uninterrupted? I’d take the jump. Granted, you’d need to get used to flying planes first, but it shouldn’t be much of a struggle anyway considering you have to switch up your playstyle anyway between different nations, brs and tt-branches.
