You want it or no,stop using your own words against yourself for once smh
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Not denying that. It is a possiblity.
aight but this works with premise that significant part of playerbase buys premium aircrafts because they have to and wouldnt buy them otherwise.
Which I think is less likely situation when compared to portion of playerbase not spending because they are disssatisfied with what current game has to offer.
Sure, grind is the main reason most people buy premium. But once you finish the grind, only real reason for you to get premium is because you find it interesting or you like it.
I bought quite few prems not because I wanted them to grind, but because Ive found them interesting. F/A-18C early, Sherman (Hell), 2A4 Pzbtl, 2A4M, Yak-3 (VK-107), Somua SM were all purchases made not due to grind, but because Ive found that particular vehicle interesting, be it lineup filler at BR I like to play, or because it had interesting kit. And I know im not alone in that regard.
Look at T58. That tank is everywhere, even if its not the best option to grind US TT, and if i recall correctly, lot of veteran players preordered that one.
Suggesting improvements to how spaa work is a useful solution.
There are some tweaks for planes that can be implemented (without nerfing their performance) such as noise. War planes make a LOT of noise due to their high-performance engines. I find that WT does not really reflect this, and basically allow CAS to be silent killers.
But expecting players who play the game for the ground vehicle experience to start flying planes is NOT a useful solution. It’s like putting chess pieces on the board when someone came to play checkers
What do you mean “claim”?
But calling players who have no interest in flying planes “fools” builds you no goodwill in the community. Puts you in the same boat as “CAS haters”.
i want tank-only, which is a new gamemode.
i dont want a different game
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sure sure buddy
I’ve discussed this myself in past threads, but I think one of the easiest solutions to any of these problems is the implementation of AI SPAA – the current issue with such a suggestion is the box-like nature of maps in-game. Gaijin should make maps more rectangular, to allow for the proper existance of a “rear line” which would be largely outside the main zone of combat.
AI controlled SPAA systems could be in this area, where it would become the mission of people who spawn CAS to actually counter these systems before they can actually engage with targets on the ground. Not only is this more realistic, it also provides a legitimate thing for CAS to do outside of just bombing players.
If Gaijin feels extra smart (and step up to the standard of most other video games in terms of gameplay design) they could then tie the destruction of this AI controlled SPAA to proper gameplay objectives, so a ground match wouldn’t be just about sitting in circles – instead it would be a constantly evolving, proper battle between two opposing forces.
Current GRB is too much like a call of duty lobby where players have little to any teamwork, and that sort of “kill 3 people, J out, use my cool kill streak vehicle” mentality is what is one of the bigger issues with CAS. CAS isn’t treated like a proper part of the battle, as you have no way to actually contribute to objectives in a direct way – you are by all intents and purposes, flying a kill-streak weapon as a reward for getting kills.
Planes and helicopters aren’t “vehicles” in the same way tanks are. In order for the CAS issue to have any future of solution, Gaijin would need to understand that.
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I think there are very few such people. Most of the cas-haters on forum, who can be said to have been complaining about aviation for years, have quite a few prems that they bought despite their obvious dissatisfaction with the main mode they play.
Honestly, I don’t understand anything about these br’s as I play only top grb br for ~ last 2 years, but it seems to me that they buy it because it’s op.
This is a moot point, and honestly bit of a strawman.
As I said above, the current way CAS is treated by Gaijin is a large crux of the problem. You are also allowed to dislike certain aspects of something, while maybe liking others. People disliking the way CAS is implemented in GRB doesn’t mean they hate the entire game.
You posted a video by Zesty Jesus earlier, yet you’re acting like the people he talks about, who defend the state of the TF2 by arguing in a manner like this. Don’t do that. You really don’t add anything to the conversation by saying stuff like “they don’t like War Thunder as a whole”.
Strawman? They say it themselves.
You’re generalizing the fact that all people who dislike the current implementation of CAS, dislike War Thunder as a whole. Have you talked to every single person who dislikes the current implementation of CAS in GRB? I doubt so, so you shouldn’t make claims like that.
Holistically generalizing the opinions of everyone who has any gripes with CAS in it’s current state to distort them into “they all dislike CAS”, to discredit their arguments is a strawman. Disliking the implementation of CAS in it’s current state does not mean the person dislikes the game as a whole, and as I said above – you can’t make such an assumption, even if one person may have told you that they don’t like War Thunder.
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People who want to change Warthunder at its core by adding TO want a different game.
nobody wants a different game.
there is airRB, and its not a physically different videogame. neither would be TO.
its not that deep, you dont need to be shivering in fear. its just another gamemode.
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Being dissatisfied does not neccesarily mean they would spend nothing, they just spend less.
in other words, its interesting.
This is probably one of the main reasons “CAS mains” do not embrace TO mode. They are afraid their mode of preference will not have enough targets. It will become CAS vs CAS, and a lot less productive for them.
IMO that’s selfish.
Why not?
If there’s a mode for TO, why would ground vehicle sales not make up the difference?
What are you even talking about ?
TO would be a “splinter mode” just like ARB is at the moment.
You don’t need CAS to flush people from their spots. I still have to play a map where I was like: “Oh damn, I need CAS to kill that guy shooting from there”.
TO can exist on it’s own without the need to change anything map related.
If you want that, go play GSB.
No one is asking for MBT/light/TD-only mode, so TO wouldn’t create a precedent for any of those.
ARB already has set a precedent for TO’s addition, you like it or not.
And you know this how ?
They’re doing everything to make Naval interesting to players, as it’s pretty much a dead mode at the moment.
You can’t adapt to something inherently out of your control.
It’s simply unbalanced at it’s core.
You’re now trying to make people that want to play tanks without aircraft’s interference some sort of a bad guy, which is quite interesting.
Asking for a new mode is perfectly fine, more so if that mode would encompass a large part of the game.
Another naive statement from you.
Gaijin is a company and WT is their product that they’re trying to make money off of, so thinking that something is staying just because it’s “grandfathered-in” is just, as I said, naive.
Based off your answers here, I highly doubt you would.
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Dude you are the one throwing a hissy.
The more you post, the more desperate you sound, in not wanting another mode to be implemented.
Why can’t you just accept the fact there is a core of players who want the ground experience without the air experience being included. You make it out to be like a personal attack on you, and it isn’t.
IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.
Premise: If planes can play without interference, why tanks couldn’t ?
ARB is splintering the playerbase already as GRB does in fact allow aircraft to be spawned.
What came first doesn’t hold any weight there.
So that’s the problem they should figure out by playing the game and actually getting better at it while doing that. CAS is simply a crutch for people wanting to eliminate people in “OP spots”.
Good thing is that no one would force you to play TO if you thought it’s so hard to flush someone out from a position without CAS.
Or the fact that people will 1DL for various reasons that are out of anyone’s control, especially players’ ?
It really wouldn’t.
Again, precedent for those wouldn’t be set by TO.
I don’t think GRB as a whole changed much (if any) in years either.
No one is even asking for NO because no one plays that mode to begin with.
Even our PvE modes are played more than Naval lol.
This is a pretty lame statement if I’m being honest.
Asking for TO isn’t even special treatment as planes only mode exists already and is not being removed. As far as I can tell, both military branches are of similar size, so giving both equal things isn’t preferential treatment, rather equality.
It is indeed the game’s problem for not treating all of their similarly sized military branches equally.
Because your tank being helpless against air is out of your control ?
You are inherently useless in that engagement.
Not before I get killed in an unfair and unsportsmanlike fashion.
Of course if you don’t imply we should all first spawn in a plane or AA, which is absurd from the get go.
You really aren’t getting it.
Same as above.
CAS killing tanks is the thing that’s unbalanced at it’s core and cannot be changed.
First of all, I already explained how it’s not special treatment, rather a matter of equality.
CAS has been oppressive throughout the years and is almost always one step ahead from it’s ground counters. People are rightfully angry as things aren’t changing.
Someone spawning a SPAA that’s utterly useless at it’s job will make people upset, that’s how things go.
It’s more than a reasonable response to absolute cancer that is often straight up uncounterable from the ground.
The only problem is that CAS is the one here that’s shitting up the pool.
GRB is clearly focused around ground units, so CAS being obnoxiously strong will rile up people, rightfully so.
Tells me they’re satisfied with their income per amount of work, so doing nothing is actually acceptable ?
They’re just pushing out vehicles every single update with few map reskins every now and then. Core gameplay hasn’t changed in a long while.
You’re blind to the fact it’s not happening as long as we have GRB as the only mode where tanks can play.
It’s actually because of Gaijin being incompetent, but good job pinning it to the players that didn’t want to be abused by CAS. I wanted to adapt but seeing how my IR SAM is unable to lock a helicopter at it’s operating range tells you enough.
Reasoning of a petulant child lol.
Didn’t took you long to completely lose your mind.
Games catering to Air enjoyers already exist, so you can freely go there if you don’t like what’s being done to you here. You seriously have messed up arguments and think that you’re the only that matters in all of this. Rage couldn’t be contained.
Not to mention, tank premiums are bringing a lot of money to Gaijin, so I’m sure they wouldn’t agree with you steering away a sizeable part of the community and spenders to competitors.
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Introduce TO mode and everyone would be happy.
- No need to nerf CAS abilities - GRB players happy
- No planes bombing vulnerable tanks - ground unit players happy.
How can you not support that?
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He probably doesn’t like the fact he’ll have less people to bomb.
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Hyperbole much?
I think you need a break.