because target wouldn’t react until its rwr pick up the missile lunch and being shot att so in the 16km when r77-1 goes active the target has 10 to 14 seconds before they get hit by r77-1 here is when r77-1 drag come to play but its such a small amount of time when drag affect r77-1 and it’s still has more energy than 120b so it’s even out the drag on r77 and did you know that r77/-1 has less drag then 120 in straight line until Mach 1.50 that mean when target doesn’t move which is most of the missile flight the r77 has less drag then any missile maybe r27er has less rag but idk but lest say has less drag then any fox3
still 35g is quite enough to hit any jet expect maybe ef2000 j39 rafale and plane who can pull 15g without breaking apart but even then, they need to be at high speed and not in head on position and r77 50g only when mooter is burning after that the longer its in air the less it can turn but y’all sleeping on pl12 while having 38g its higher aoa limits mean it can use that 38g at all times and Higher energy in the medium range mean that its better missile in sup 25km to 30km pl12 and the new r77-1 are my favourite missile because they Combine both agility and range and acceleration China numpa 1!!
I can show you a replay where the AIM-120 simply flies past a plane that was flying straight.
I recently had a case when I launched all AIM-120As down on an enemy that was 10 km below me.
Only one missile was able to cause critical damage, all the others flew into the ground. The AIM-120 is no longer the missile it was at the time of release, talk about those times, now the AIM-120 is slightly better than the AIM-7.
In addition, the AIM-120 is now so weak that it is necessary to use 2-4 missiles per aircraft.
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Maybe you got unlucky, but personally i have NEVER had any issues with missiles not oneshotting/crippling my targets.
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You fire your missiles first and preemptively start to turn, it’s not that difficult. At those altitudes you know you’ll be shot at, it’s a pretty predictable outcome.
i get what you trying say but even when you preemptively start to turn, You will not twist and turn like Maniac left and right you will still fly in a straight line after you turn into a cold or a notch position so the r77-1 will still fly to you in straight path it’s not like you will zigzag and turn left and right all the time so that doesn’t matter until r77 -1 goes active so still you will not be in defensive position and crank until r77 Pitbull at 16km
it’s weird tbh with you 120 has 11kg so it more then enough to cripple or finish the plane so it most likely he Multipath or out pull your 120 but 120 proxy fuses him and crit him like that it happens even with aim54
G pull isn’t everything. Look at SRAAMs.
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You don’t even use the correct “too.” Perhaps you should spend more time learning rather than telling someone that they “talk to much” and don’t know anything 🤣
Not even mentioning you didn’t dispute anything I said or try to provide any sort of addition to the discussion. Just telling someone the equivalent of “shut up.”
I mean the Aim-260 will be better than the meteors, the only thing that’ll make the aim120d’s strong is that you won’t be able to see the thing that launched on you (F-22).
Dominant in what aspect? BVR? Yes, it is very good. Medium to short range? I would argue the MICA-EM takes that position. Within 30km, the thing is a bit terrifying.
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Currently Aim-120 A/B are underperforming notably and should be a lot stronger. Based upon all the docs flame found from the National Archives about the missile in RAF service and has a number of outstanding bug reports open to Buff Aim-120A/B
PL-12 and AAM-4 were limited so that they could be added alongside Aim-120A/B instead of them being left with nothing or placeholder weapons until such time Aim-120C5s were added. I think this was the better of the 2 options and, as far as I am aware, AAM-4 is better than Aim-120A/B currently, not by much, but strictly speaking, is better. PL-12 I cant comment on, so wont.
MICA are some of the best ARH missiles in the game and are deadly when used right, just cant lob them half way accross the map (not that doing so with the AMRAAM is likely to get a kill unless against a bad player) but much like AMRAAM, are missing some of their upper range performance.
Derby/R-Darter certainly need fixes, but from my experience with the R-Darter, its more of a lofting issue than the missiles themselves, but I dont know how they should perform relatively speaking.
I would assume about as long as R-27ER totally dominated top tier meta, about a 1.5 years? and then we could get Aim-120C5s when everyone else gets upgrades again.
But I am looking forward to the METEOR days.
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I might make a thread to talk about missiles like these, but with your opinion should they come along side the aim260 or stealth?
Depends on what the meta is looking like.
If we have stealth vs non-stealth. (like F-22 vs Typhoon) Then the non-stealth will need an advantage. Aim-120D vs Meteor would work.
If we are non-stealth vs non-stealth (like F-15 vs Typhoon) then Aim-260 vs Meteor wouldnt be too bad, so long as the Meteor slingers werent overly nerfed for “reasons”.
Though before even Aim-120D was considered. We need bigger and better maps.
Personally. I dont think we should get stealth for a while. If Gaijin balances stealth so that it wasnt invisible on radar, US mains will do nothing but complain. If they do model stealth to make aircraft like the F-22 invisible on radar, then the meta would suck.
I agree however that might be a little bit o fair because the F-22 would take away the advantages of the meteor.
It could work here
This is very very true we need maps 3 to 4 times the size
I hope they model it like this. If you are x distance away from Y radar you can be detected but not launched on, when you get to Z distant the missile seeker is able to find you.
It entirely depends on how stealth is modeled. Personally hoping that it reduces lock range a little, but any AESA radar can still acquire the F-22 at half decent ranges.
(which, iirc, CAPTOR-E was designed with dealing with stealth radars in mind, so might not be far off true. Will be interesting to see any reports from fights of CAPTOR-E equipped Typhoons vs F-22s/F-35s)
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That’s true but my problem would be that by that time you already have a 120d launched on you. Additionally if they add the ability to fully guide in your missile with tws it would be even more strong.
I don’t believe they take fights for bug reports but still yes it would be interesting
Maybe, it entirely depends on those lock ranges. Just because you can fire at extreme range, doesnt mean it will hit. Especially if we have ECM modeled and the F-22s were struggling to get a lock just as much as the Typhoon was due to stealth