I do not understand, does it not pop up on RWRs or something? It’s the only way I can find it justifiable to hit targets from 60 km away…
How can someone not do anything to defend in 1+ minute of RWR screaming at you and telling you where a missile is coming from?
It’s an ARH and (IIRC) faster than the R-27ER, it also burns all the way to the target. The dodging matter is a different story (many people have trouble turning 90° for some reason). The point is that there is more to an enough range at which the AIM-120 is well within its optimal engagement zones.
Edit: The RWR does not scream all the way when you’re in TWS guiding it, only the last 16km when they have about 5 seconds to dodge
yet the launches are visible in radar and to eye, you can also expect it based on range and altitudes and i dont see any reason why a su30sm pilot wouldn’t see your launch if they are looking at you on tws
funny thing being, only for your situation to work is to assume that the su30sm pilot is blind
also funny how when r-77 is launched, in arguments everyone says that the hostile pilot instantly knows but then when amraam is launched we pretend that the pilot is blind to argue that the amraam is now so good
you could give the f15E r77-1 instead and it would give you the same result the platform is the issue not the missile.
I’m talking about the F-90, read the whole conversation
if you don’t like the 1c playstyle of russian fighters then you should play something else
it is not for everyones playstyle, it is what the russians picked as their tactic of engagements when making those aircraft and their requirements and weaponry
it isn’t worse, it is just different from what eurofighters have as they are more suitable for BVR engagements while su-30sm is better for WVR
However competetive pilots will always make it into WVR
read topic
Your post has no relevance to mine, my post is a continuation of discourse resulting from the topic.
It wouldn’t though. It doesn’t matter what you launch the r77-1 off of. The drag is so high it limits the range.
That definitely makes things more difficult.
Noob question- does this apply to every plane…? I normally don’t use TWS because I find it extremely unreliable, can barely find targets and is always fooled by chaff and missiles, but… I don’t know. I am going to try that now!
not what im saying at all? im simply pointing out that the aim120 was doing better in bvr for him because he was using a better bvr aircraft.
dont go offtopic regardless of how much you want it
make different post or dont c omplain when people talk to you about only ontopic matters
it is annoying when people come to this topic and start talking about something else
it wouldn’t matter here as WVR is where competetive pilots will die, not at BVR.
Only when guiding in an ARH from >16km, all ARH seekers in game go active at 16km so TWS is no longer needed to guide it. If you’re not guiding from TWS at those long distances your missile is relying on IOG until 16km, which causes them to miss a lot.
so your saying an aim120 fired at mach 1 6000m is gonna do better than and r77-1 fired at 10000m mach 1.5
True but players die to the 120 by recomitting before the missile has been defeated.
Or not paying attention to RWR
Give an F-15E or a Typhoon pilot the choice.
Of 8-6 120s or 12 R-77-1.
Very few are chosing the 120.
which is the pilot being a noob
missiles should be compared competetive pilot versus competetive pilot
not competetive pilot versus noob pilot
Your post is the equivalent of replying about bridges when I was talking about roofs. Just because you missed the point doesn’t make me off topic. Since you apparently need a breakdown of it here we go:
Spanish talks about engagement ranges in game with the 120
I reply talking about engagement ranges and using another missile as an example
We converse a little more about that
You reply with a completely unrelated statement about nothing we were talking about purely for the purpose of arguing
when the post is about bridges and not roofs
stop being mad when people talk to you about the actual topic instead of replying to you about what youre going on offtopic
I just tried TWS, and… at least on F-15C it’s rubbish lmao. Even with the target constantly locked in TWS, and the target not maneuvering at all, it still missed.
Never again.