Like sorry, but as if the Type 81 didn’t suffer enough when matched with other anti-airs on this radar, Gaijin adds this? A vehicle all round better? with 15 kilometer range? At 11.3? This is absurd. You can basically J out as soon as you have this thing on your team.
This thing can engage anything effectively. The Type 81 suffers with planes/drones above 6km and helis above 3kms.
I don’t get the thought process. How are these two vehicles equal? And if Gaijin doesn’t plan on giving the Type 81 it’s radar, they should at least give it a SACLOS/beam riding mode so that we can guide the missile using the IRST because as things stand, if any helicopter tries attacking you above 3km with ATGMs (which are almost all late game scenarios), you can only hide (if you can find a spot). You can’t respond whatsoever and the Type 81 is the only vehicle that sucks this bad in this regard.
AWhat sucks the most is drones being able to engage you at 8kms, while on a cloudy map, you can only strike back at 6, 7 if you’re lucky. a smart drone player will approach the battlefield off bore, dancing on the edge of 8kms and can grab a free kill on the Type 81.
TLDR: Give Type 81 SACLOS mode alongside the IR mode. (Type 81 missile irl had a SACLOS mode and a radar trailer - since Gaijin - due to their vehicle requirements - won’t add the radar trailer, let us at leats have the SACLOS mode.)
Bruh, HQ17, as well as Tor, CANT SHOOT ANYTHING WITHIN 2KM. You can literally do a swing around terrain and gun it down with no issues. They are exist purely for long range interception (and bullying drones, but it kinda deserved), nothing more
Bold of you to assume my IR missile will prime, lock, fire and hit the rapidly approaching plane in sub 2kms. The Tor’s missile is way more agile off the start than the Type 81’s is.
Direct fire IR missile have more chances then a missile which needs to jump out, rotate and only then head to the direction you’re pointing at (possibly also arching if enemy flying low due few seconds of not being controllable)
Not many chances if the IR missile can’t lock. Optical doesn’t help too in many cases. I understand your struggle. But I assume you don’t have much experience with the Type 81. Having SACLOS is such a privilege. I see Tors delete the plane I am waiting for to get within my effective range before I can even lock it despite me seeing the plane first.
I get that this is a struggle with all SPAAs. Tunguskas do it too, at a lower BR. This is just an absurd example of how outclassed by basically everything the Type 81 is at 11.3. Of course, the Type 81 missile is extremely effective when you find a vehicle that gets within the range of 7-3kms of you. That’s why I have a KD of 4 in this SPAA. It’s just that if an SPAA like this with radar, SACLOS and 15km range exists, there is no reason for Gaijin not to give the Type 81 it’s SACLOS too. I’m not asking for much. I got used to not having a radar and gen 1 thermals.
yeah im not saying a strong SPAA is a bad thing. anything that stops planes shitting on helpless tanks is good. but im using it to make a point about the type 81 still not having saclos.
Perhaps would be better to compare to other SPAAs and not one which is defenseless if anything slips close? But in any case yeah, Japan would benefit from proper top SPAA (hopefully soon considering pledge to introduce more advanced stuff this year)
i think the type 81 should def be 11.0 along with the oto and the adats but to be fair stats are kinda a lie on that missile, as even tho its 42 gs i assure you your gonna have an easier time dodging the HQ17 than the type 81 missile, tho its limited to 8 or 9km so i still think it should be at a lower br than the HQ17
I’ve managed to lock onto helicopters from way longer than just 3km, it just depends where they are. I think my record was over 5 or 6km lock on a Kamov, I’ll see if I had that recorded.
Tor is pretty crap at hitting rushing helicopters.
I’ve managed to hit them at way below 1km with Type 81.
I’ve played decent amount of games with TOR on my side and I’ve seen them miss targets that Type 81 will hit basically 100% of the time.
the argument that you cant hit close range rushers so the type 81 is better kinda ignores the fact that the type 81 range maxes out at like 9km while the hg17 can reach up to 15, type 81 also can not intercept bombs so its aslo the weakest vs long range cas at the tier
yes. if the helicopter skylines itself on a cloudless maps and you use optical tracking, you can hit them up to 6kms. But that’s like 10% of the cases. 90% they’ll be hugging the ground in which case you can’t do anything. And yes, low range hits are possible. Especially on slower moving targets like A-10s, frogfoots etc. but you won’t hit a mig-27 strafing you if he moves in anyway before the missile can get up to speed (which I think is fair and good I guess. all i’m saying is that the high proximity vulnerability is pretty shared.
Exactly. I’ve clapped so many eg. MiG-27s/ F-15s out of the sky by severely damaging them. Sometimes one of the two things happens:
a. They have a bomb already sent to you. You try to move away and sometimes fail, sometimes succeed, but you can’t defend yourself or your team.
b. The enemy is largely undamaged and flies behind a cloud. IR and optical can’t lock him, but his laser guidance system can still deliver the missile right on your noggin. You don’t have smoke, and you get splashed by artillery 10m away from you. So you can guess how that works out for you.
yeah pretty much what happens when i see a tan sam its just a free kill for a gbu or agm, i think they put in up cause it was slaying out when it first came out but cas has gotten even better range so it can be lower br and be fine
Any missile is easily avoided above 10km. Maybe except for the pantsir. What sucks the most is drones being able to engage you at 8kms, while on a cloudy map, you can only strike back at 6, 7 if you’re lucky. a smart drone player will approach the battlefield off bore, dancing on the edge of 8kms and can grab a free kill on the Type 81.
Manually guided SAM with bad sights Vs. Automatic IRCCM SAM.
Just wait until they add the BUK-M1’s, wanna talk about a BUFF; that’s one, and only carries 4 missiles, at least it’s got the refill mechanic going for it, sadly has to sit still to fire.
