An entirely empty back where shooting it does nothing.
No useless MUSS cone making it incredibly tall.
Two MBTs at 11.3 it can fit into a line up with.
Much fewer modules.
A single stray hit doesn’t usually disable it, unlike the PUMA.
I could go on and on. But the PUMA VTJF is such a sad vehicle compared to the Namer. And one you have to uptier to 11.7 to even find any line up for it because there’s no other vehicle at 11.3. And even then it’s a Squad/Premium one to go with it.
The 10.3 is similar. Not only is it repair simulator deluxe. The only way to get an MBT at that BR is to take the Leo 2k and uptier it. Otherwise you’re entirely reliant upon the TAM 2. Oh and if any other 30mm engages you, you tend to be done. Because any minor hit will disable your ability to fire back, while they can usually take a pounding and keep on hitting back.
The PUMA and PUMA VTJF are just so incredibly easy to disable compared to Namer, 2s38, etc. And quite a few of them are just as survivable if not more so. It has TONS of modules none of the others have, a remnant from when it was way undertiered which means it’s repair simulator where the other ones aren’t. Stuff like MUSS basically doesn’t work most of the time.
And the armor they gave it is also, incredibly bad.
It’s just, not good. And neither PUMA has any proper line up it can fit in because Gaijin destroyed basically all line ups above 9.3 for Germany until you hit 11.7/12.0.
Spike tax is 0.7 BR apparently, honestly I think spikes are pretty good, I don’t really have a problem with them.
PUMA even if it gets the bugs fixed is still kinda mid in the firepower department, RoF really lets it down, not sure what can be done unless theres some newer darts it can get access to.
Its the best light tank we have for Germany in terms of brining up to 12.3/13.0 to use a vehicle to spawn CAS with. Pop drone, scout some, throw some spikes, shoot down enemy drones. I know people seem to have a problem with the ahead, just look where the explosions are and adjust the lead off the radar indicator a bit, usually a problem side aspect. You can get a nice chunk of SP early shooting these down.
Namer can tank spikes surprisingly reliably, especially from the front.
Namer has INSANE gun depression.
Namer has actual decent armor unlike the PUMA which can be front penned by 30mms.
Namer is much less tall.
Namer can’t be overpressured as easily due to the extra plate on the top.
Namer has much fewer modules, meaning it’s harder to disable and faster to repair.
Literally watching someone play it right now and do incredibly well. Same person gets nowhere near in terms of playing the PUMA. You don’t seem to realize just how shitty the PUMAs in WT are.
Really easy to hit and is usually a guaranteed overpressure.
It’s actually far easier to disable. It’s power supply in the rear is only protected by 10mm of armor, so any arty strike is almost a guaranteed FCS disable.
Besides that you can litterally destroy it’s 30mm ammo with a 7.62 machine gun. It won’t kill the tank but doing so means that the Namer will have do a repair and that it won’t have any more autocannon ammo (because unlike the Puma, the Namer 30 has no extra ammo in the hull).
Just like you don’t seem to realize how shitty the Namers are. I do well in them, but I also know how incredibly easy they are to disable and/or kill.
However this also doesn’t mean that they didn’t butcher the Puma, or the KF41 etc. All of these are severely messed up in this game and should be fixed.
Not really. They have similar durability at their BR. Sure, the Namer has better depression and a trickier turret to hit, but the PUMA gets an APS and better penetration. The Namer is also significantly slower in most aspects and has an excessive number of bugs.
I can tell you have never died this way in a Puma from 500 meters. I have died this way frontally about 4 times to WW2 guns. I have nearly even died to an M22 who got lucky.
The Namer also struggles even when it survives a hit. For some reason, almost no matter where you’re hit, the Power Systems constantly rupture. This sets you on fire and disables your turret.
While many assume this, the Namer spalls a lot, which makes these two missiles often kill you at even slight rear glances. The Puma does not suffer from this issue.
Not only do you have hull ammunition significantly lower than the Namer, where it will never get struck, but you also have extra ammunition for your main gun. The Namer does not get this luxury and will become useless upon being struck in its turret ammunition. The Puma is not lacking all of its side composite, unlike the Namer, which is missing nearly all of it.
Keep in mind that the Namer weighs as much as the Merkava MBTs with less armor and no giant turret.
The Namer doesn’t have a single other vehicle at its BR for Israel. Germany does have a more extreme BR gap, but it should be noted that the Merkava Mk.3 also have an extensive amount of problems, such as how they can’t stop 8.0 darts and spall an outrageous amount. The Leopards are a pretty big step up in durability compared to the Merkavas for some reason.
Both Pumas were biggest disappointment to me in my 12 years in this game
If you ever needed clear proof of anti German feeling (there were many ,many more before) within Gaijin team …this was it .
APFSDS so underwhelming that is just sad ,i guess they based it on famed German “materiel shortage” from WWII.
Just leave it ,don’t play it for your sanity’s sake.
The Namer can absolutely front tank Spikes, easily and reliably. The PUMA MUSS system doesn’t work, bringing it up as a positive is a joke. Especially since the Namer can tank any of the threats the MUSS is meant to deal with.
The Namer is much, much more reliable against overpressure. You people go "well if you hit this specific spot the double armor plates won’t protect it. Meanwhile a hit to the MUSS cone kills the PUMA.
And “struggle when being hit”, the PUMA when hit virtually anywhere is instantly disabled. Turning it into a sitting duck. A single minor hit from any of the other IFV disables the PUMA and ensures the other vehicle wins. The PUMA als has so absurd many components that it takes forever to repair.
And the Namer has two MBTs sitting at 11.3 it can be paired up with. The PUMA VTJF has zero. And the regular one has a SINGLE other light tank.
I guarantee you not a single one of you would take the PUMA over the Namer, ever.
The 2A7V has been dominating uncontested for over a year now together with the 2A7HU and Strv 122s and the IRIS-T SLM is the only new AA that is actually worthwhile and not mediocre.
Yeah a clear sign of anti-German feelings.
I would take the Puma over the Namer any time asked any day of the week, why? Because mobility is much more powerful than protection and survivability that only works against autocannons and bad players.
Oh yes ,the famed 2A7 ,whose armor performs at around 60 % of what it is IRL or any other Leo 2 or Challenger or Leclerc and so on
You wanna go down that route …ok
2 years of bullshit HE favoring Russians
Nearly 10 years of bugged Soviet armor
Nearly 10 years since bonus Russian armor was discovered by data miners
Made up planes,made up weapons for those planes
Russian tanks/Planes/Helicopters and now Naval …exceeding their RL performance by factor of 3
Meanwhile
Entire German WWII heavies screwed up based on one report of material shortage impacting quality of armor …report from late 1944
Early German jets fighting late Korean/Early Vietnam era jets
Anti aircraft ammo (SPAA) ,German Explosives (bombs) German ammo for planes …all artificially nerfed whilst Russian counterparts get “upgrade” based on documents from Russian fansites
Russian “Regenerating” ERA …shoot side of tank …leave it alone for a minute and abracadabra …ERA has grown back.
Hurricanes/early Spits and early Yaks outperforming FW 190’s …
What is the point listing it all
Funny how you gloss over 2+ years when that Leopard 2 A6/A5 with almost same armor was demolished by Russian HE shells that had explosive power straight out of Hogwarts
The 2A5 and 2A6 both had their times of extreme dominance as well. Dominance is just a back and forward between different nations, whatever Gaijin feels like.
However saying that Gaijin has Anti-German feelings is laughable, seeing as a lot of other nations have it much much worse.
To be honest, I don’t feel that the Namer has the all-around advantages you mentioned. First, the Namer’s rear power supply is exposed—even a machine gun hit can paralyze the entire vehicle. Second, its ammunition is completely exposed, so using just a machine gun can render it incapable of any further action in the match.
