Look, i get it, its sweedish and no one plays them. But come on man, look at this thing. An AA with 6 missiles, no search radar, manual guidance, slow missiles, 3m trigger, and the amazing 35 degree elevation. You get an exposed gunner, no thermals, a slow chassis, and only 1 missile at a time. And to cap it all off, you have no list to put it in.
Literally nothing about this vehicle is functional. At 9.x every single plane is faster than your missiles, even after a turn. Side profile with a 3m trigger is very hard, you have no followup shot, and even if you do get a detonation you have 680g explosive. Not even a guarenteed kill.
Yeah, starstreaks are but at least you get 16, multiple shots, and 60 degree elevation. This has nothing.
Even the british starstreaks get double the explosive mass
roland missiles are really sluggish and easy to dodge, the elevation sucks just as much, reloading forces you to center the turret (takes extra time as well)
tbh these both cant go lower and cant go higher since they are both SACLOS missiles with enough range to kill pretty much any target
Both are sluggish. 12% difference isn’t much. Reloading both missiles is still faster than a single lvrbv missile.
Hell, the roland’s missile has the payload of a arty shell.
Why the hell should saclos make any difference? The SANTAL sits at 9.3 with 6km all aspect 850m/s missiles. Yes, flares exist, but if your missile can’t catch even side profile then shots due to velocity i’d take the velocity and IR any day.
Aircraft are not the only thing that you face, helicopters and drones are also a threat, not to mention that things like stingers or mistrals are arguably easier to doge than the rb70 on capable hands
statcard g pull means nothing, and the rb70 is much more responsive than the roland
you cant flare those off, you HAVE to make evasive maneuvers and even disengage (in something like an a-10)
it cant even shoot if the target is preflaring, you are literally doomed if you meet anything with FnF munitions (those go as low as 9.3 btw)
a SACLOS missile can also intercept munitions btw
helis are basically invincible to ir missiles beyond about 3 km
and with no radar, 25 deg/s rotation, and slow missiles you are doomed vs anything flying low and helis are going to have just as easy of a time killing you as you are of killing them. You are open topped and get overpressured by any explosion in 10m. Not seeing how unusable saclos can’t go lower when strong IR already sits below. There are counters for both already available for pilots.
Shturm missiles are 550m/s. Helis can also coordinate target both cannon and rockets with far better optics. And again, these are the things AA are SUPPOSED to be killing easily. It shouldn’t be a fair fight.
And they outmaneuver you. They can disengage and re-engage by dropping out of your sight or behind ridges/trees. They can find positions only visible to parts of the map where you are too vulnerable to go. This is the advantage of helis. They know aprox where you are going to be where you have to scan the horizon. Again, this is the target that you SHOULD be be killing with ease. This is your primary target for this AA.
Not seeing how having very similar missiles is validating the idea how this AA should be staying at the same BR. Its like saying the cavalry and the spearman should have the same dps vs one another. One gets to pick the enagagement, the other has to hide and hope his opponent is overconfident.
@WalletWorrier idk, 6.8kg HE roland missile vs 200 pen HEAT, i’d take the HE.
and lose their missiles in the process… there are no FnF helis at that br range, only saclos or laser (in an uptier)
you can also use your smokes btw
what are you even arguing at this point? to drop it down? aint happening since this thing can completely lock down any heli and still be of use against aircraft
I’m aware. a 200 pen <1kg warhead vs a roland’s 6.8kg HE. Not really a big draw factor.
@pooqich I’m arguing that its the worst saclos missile launcher that is less effective than IR missiles at doing… anything. AA should be a counter to helis, but it has missiles near equivalent with helis at its own br while not having search radar, slow speed and turret rotation. It has serious problems engaging planes, is the most vulnerable AA in its br range, and has literally nothing positive to set it apart from its contemporaries. It could see 9.3 and not even be close to strong, but it would at least have a BR cluster to sit in.