??? you SHOOT it? Since you can CATCH it?
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I may need to remind you this is a realistic thread
??? STEALTH HAS NO BEARING ON ABILITY TO VISUALLY ID
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Even in Sim, its not that big of a deal. At 8.7 most things dont even have a radar to begin with, if this thing was taking out 3 bases per sortie, it could be an issue, but if its taking out even 1 then its doing very well
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And I doubt it would be good in sim either. If it’s facing supersonic planes, it would be very bad.
You don’t need a radar to spot planes in sim, especially since lower BR jet matches exist.
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too coked up on the wish for ECM
This!
The F-117 is relatively slow, it has no offence weapons and only a small bomb bay. The only beneficial attribute it has is stealth , which is completely useless in any mode with markers.
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I don’t think it’s that hard. If it’s below 10.7 it will shit on all SPAAs if “properly modeled”
None of the ground based IR missiles are going to get a lock on it, except maybe the Igla with its contact lock, as it should atleast as hard to lock up as the current helicopters, and the guided missiles are a bag of ass. Unless it gets low enough/close enough for an IRST gun track, or a lucky prox fuse burst it should essentially be untouchable.
Also useless in sim because you can just visually spot planes then close in until you see the very visually distinct F-117. The BR this thing would be at would not have radars being used to find planes anyway. The stealth basically only comes into play maybe in GRB and thats only if they don’t let the SPAA radar detect it.
Pretty sure you are greatly exaggerating how well it will actually do in game at having diminished IR and radar signature at close range.
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I’m not talking close range, I’m only talking about ground RB vs SPAA.
Yes, any jet with a basic missile should be able to close with and kill it
So… close range…
FlaRakPz 1 and other 10.3 and higher SPAA don’t need a lock to launch their missiles they can just spot the F-117 in the sky and launch a missile towards it
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Going by purely A2G loadout then its essnetially the same as the Jaguar GR1A which is at 10.3
Considering its slower and more vulnerable to air attacks and has less overall A2G I was thinking maybe 10.0, but at the same time I wouldnt want it lower than 10.3. (though does have 2k GBUs which could be very good)
Given aircraft like the Jaguar GR1A has 60 flares and 216 large calibre chaff, it is arguably as effective at dealing with CAS as the F-117 will be, but can also climb and evade better.
So its tough. The question will be the IR reduction stuff, but honestly… Unless its a precursor to an IR overhaul, the F-117 probably will be no harder to lock onto than a drone or non-Reheat jet.
Heck look at the Harrier, should be really hard to lock onto with an IR Missile, but is one of the easiest in game by far
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First a bit of reality…
- The F-117 is designated as a fighter-bomber
- He always worked, as far as is known and according to declassified records, as a bomber for precision bombing - suppression of enemy air defenses…
… and now some strange thoughts…
- why, if it is essentially an attack aircraft for penetrating the enemy’s anti-aircraft defense, is it not designated A-117 (or F/A-117), but is designated as F-Fighter?
- have all his abilities really been revealed?
- by keeping a lot of things secret, the Gaijin devs have a lot of room for … creative thinking and they know that the players, Nighthawk, want … ?
For a long time I have been following speculations about whether he would be able to carry an aerial guided missile…?
I am attaching some links, maybe they are not relevant at all, but who knows…
Let me be surprised…
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No, range is relative to the units in question. 8-10KM is not close range for SPAA
It’s close range for radars. This thing also isn’t doing anything 8-10km out for the most part
I always try to design my fighters with zero offensive capability in the air. USA naming sucks
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If it’s modeled that way. I would agree, it may be ok at 10.3.
But, it shouldn’t be modeled that way. It should be very hard for a ground based missile to lock it up, specifically because all of the things they look for, are very hard to see.
Those BR’s SPAA’s are also over tiered which makes the problem worse because there is no parity or standoff distance. It would essentially be like a drone @11 when you get 2 free shots if the pilot isn’t a brick
Strela and Type 93 will easily still get a lock with contrast seekers
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What radar SPAA’s are engaging (effectively) 8-10km at the 10-10.3 BR?
Because every day I see CAS loitering at that range firing guided or F&F munitions and retreating