How about replacing all gamemodes with Enduring Confrontation PvE

I think that would improve the game significantly and fix alot of the problems.

There would be so many advantages. Enduring Confrontation allows all vehicles to come together in a singel gamemode. Planes. helicopters and ships are already there and ground vehicles can be worked in by replacing the AI territory fights with the usual Ground gamemodes.

And PvE would allow gaijin allot of control over the gameflow, avoiding unfair matchmaking by default.
This would also give more room for unbalance between the vehicles. If nobody has to face eachother, but has to work together. Haveing someone with a better vehicle then yours, isn´t as problematic.

But, most importendly, it would open the door for many vehicles who do not fit into WTs gameplay right now. After all, enduring confrontation allows for many objectives and big maps, will keeping it PvE allows full control over how the enemys will react.

I can think about many other things how this would improve the game, like allowing much more control over the progression in the game, aswell as removing the need to test multible gamemodes with changes done to the games code.
Not to mention that its already proven to work. Helicopter PvE is never empty, i always find games in seconds.

What do you all think ?

Edit:

For some reason the Admins moved the discussion to realistic battles, despite me wanting this for Arcade, Realistic and Simulator. Never sayed anything about Realistic only.
Also, the tags don´t fit anymore because of this change.

Moderation not paying attention again.

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*EC PVP would be fine
PVE is useless

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I think PvE is even crucial. No matter where i look, people care more about PvE then PvP,.
Even games that are know, if not outright made for PvP feel that.
The most importend gamemode for Call of Duty is there Zombies Co-op mode and when Overwatch 2 was announced, most people cared about the PvE.
Heck, on of WTs competitors lifes alone from PvE missions and even new gamemodes being add. Armored Warfare.

But most importendly, PvE would remove alot of the abusive and negative behaviour from the game. If people don´t face eachother, the primary reason for them to get mad at each other is gone.

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Just give tank mode pve to all those who ask for tank mode. They will be satisfied.

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And further splintering the playerbase, complicating balancing and codeing ? That will make things only worse.

PVP the players provide the targets. PVE Gaijin would have to actually create actually “AI” bots that can provide a similar challenge to players. That would be expensive when they can get their users to provide “the content” for free.
The PVE modes are kind of boring/repetitive (and I even like them). Heli PVE has players because its how you grind helicopters so they are useable in other modes.
I’m surprised the game has the PVE modes honestly. But I guess it keeps a small subset of players who don’t like PVP in the game.
The problem is that many/most(?) players only have time for short random battles, or they are conditioned by Gaijin to expect/like them. World War mode has PVE elements as well as EC. But neither are popular without incentives to play them.

LOL. You must not play the assaults much. I see doodz free riding and griefing other “friendly” players all the time.

World War mode and EC aren´r popular right now because they are barely available and when then only mostly for simulator. In case of short matches, EC allows you to jump in and out when you want (No crewlocks, another advantage).
Also, why bother with bots that can provide a similar challenge to players. We are talking here about a different way of designing gameplay and gaijin has already lots of AI and objective design work done in WT. They just need to work on that, instead of trying to somehow cram Raytraceing into there decade old spagetty code engine.
Seriously, everyone i know playing this game cares first and formost about playing the vehicles. The targets providing a challenge has second to non-priority.

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By far not as much as the PvP modes. Don´t forget, gaijin had to remove friendlyfire from Ground RB because of that.

PvPvE is a more preffered gamemode. if it want to play AI horde murderer simulator I would just play DRG or Helldivers or worse, Dynasty warriors.

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I want to play Vehicle and i want plenty of different targets and objectives to use all the functionality taht vehicles has to offer.
You know what i don´t want ? Someone interupting my joyride and i only see that fairly happening if all players are on one side.

I agree with you there. That is probably 50% of my game time is just assaults.
I just don’t think Gaijin will do it.

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Citation needed.

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Also -1 on taking agency away from the players.

If you want to play warthunder as PvE feel free to do so in the PvE game mode.

I dont want to play warthunder PvE because i find warthunder PvE incredibly boring but your suggestion would take away my choice to play PvP game mode.

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You’re right, a lot of the negativity and abusive behavior would be removed, because nobody would play warthunder anymore

PvP doesn´t have to entirly go, but i think it would be better suited in form of the WT league, where things are alot more balanced.

Like, seriously, makeing the game centered around PvE would fix so much. Problems like Bomber balance and CAS. You can now balance taht by balancing teh reaction of teh AI, something gaijin already does. Adjusting aggresiveness and accuracy for example.

I support RB-EC and maybe replacing air RB entirely with it.

I do think the current RB “team deathmatch last man standing” mode should be relegated to something else.

Ace Combat Infinity style “competitive PVE” where two teams work together to rack up a higher score then the other team would be fun for an event, though.

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Ah, thats why titles like Left 4 Dead 2 and WTs competitor, Armored Warfare are still well, live and kicking. despite little to no updates.

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Hey, if you want to play warthunder as PvE only, more power to you, and you can already do that.

Just dont take away agency from other players by taking away their choice to NOT participate in PvE.

Yeah those games were originally made and advertised as PvE, warthunder has always been PvP changing now would kill the game because 95% of players do not want a PvE only game

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