Have you ever heard of players who used to seal club early Super Sonic Jets or superior Sub-Sonic Jets in an F-86? Ex: F-4 Phantoms, T-2’s, MIG-17’s, MIG-19’s, MIG-21’s. I fought them all in an F-86. During the Early years.
Every time something new comes to the game there’s that period of experimenting and learning.
- A-10s, deemed heavy, sluggish, ground attack planes, has a smaller turn circle than pretty much everything at its tier, so when it came out everything trying to dogfight it just died
- Su-25BM with the first actual introduction of R-73s. People quickly learned IRCCM, thrust vectoring and 40g pull was no joke, even in an Su-25.
- First IR missiles (9Bs, R3s), people quickly learned they didn’t hit anything, so they started to dodge, and later on they were literally used to force the running guy to dodge hard and bleed his speed.
- First radar missiles, people quickly learned flying high was a no no.
I could stay here all day listing times when something new came to the game and the community experimented with it. Back when those jets you mentioned were being added, the community’s mentality was heavily influenced by all the years of close dogfighting (this is still present RIGHT NOW even with Fox 3s flying around), turning, booming and zooming at max. Now I ask you, guess what happens if you try to outturn a Sabre in a Phantom? People quickly found out that doesn’t work out. And a little bonus, please get a friend in an squadron hop into some 12.0 battles in your Sabre and tell me the results.
I have footage of me beating Viggens, Mirages F1 and MiG-23MLDs in dogfights in an AMX (SB). Does this mean AMX = Mig-23MLD = Mirage F1 = VIGGEN? I don’t know what point you wanted to prove with this example. I’m not saying F-18 would be absolutely unplayable, but just answer me if a plane with lower TWR, lower top speed, lower acceleration than almost ALL its competition would be a fun experience. Keep in mind said plane had plenty of time to be added early on without breaking the game.
What you want is an echo chamber however clearly everyone doesn’t seem to agree. Sorry bud make a proper thread next time, not an echo chamber. Cause I don’t agree with anything you have said.
If you don’t agree… fine? State you don’t agree and discuss why, maybe don’t. Instead you’re just barging here, assuming stuff and stating to ME (who made the thread) what I intended with this thread. Do you realize how crazy that is?
So I stand by what I said, just because a plane is from 1984 does not mean it will not be superior to other aircraft of its time. The F-15 only existed because we were building a fighter jet that could supersede the MIG-25 Foxbat based on very little info however moment we captured a MIG-25 we realized it was a flying piece of crap, excuse my French or Dutch.
Once again you stopped reading when you saw “1987”, so let me list the other stuff yet again:
- Lower Thrust/Weight ration than almost everything else (if not everything else) at its tier.
- We’re entering AESA territory, PESA already in the game. F-18s radar is nothing special and has been in the game for ages already.
- F-18 is WAY slower than a lot of things in its tier. Barely faster than an F-5E. If you have the guts to say this is not a BIG disadvantage, I’ll be certain you don’t play top tier at all.
- You thought F-15E was strong? Typhoon accelerates faster than it, carries the same amount of missiles, plus Brimstones and better maneuverability. Rafale is no joke either, maybe just slightly behind the Typhoon.
- And I’ll add yet another one, “Oh but 10 AMRAAMs”. What good will they do when EVERYTHING ELSE flies over mach 1.3 most of the match. Could be good if used right, don’t get me wrong, but in the F-18? Not game-breaking. Not a bit.
I KNOW year of introduction is not a determinant factor to add a vehicle, hence why I listed other things along with that info. Pay attention next time.
One more thing the F-18 isn’t in the game. Even then it was designed to supersede the F-16(its competitor and replace many aircraft that came before). Can’t say that for the F-15 as she still has a 105.5 to 0.
As for this I legit have no idea what you’re talking about or what point you want to make lmfao.