I think it’s a good thing that the f18 came a little bit late, the su33 came in this version because it can’t carry fox3, and as a modern plane it might have a bunch of bugs that affect play. Made him less than he wanted to be. The f18 will probably come out with the j15 because they can both carry fox3
My guess why we are getting the su-33 but not sth like the f-18a is cause the su-33 is a premium and thise circumvents gajins implementation rules of nation x already got sth last update
My team when i play ranked:
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Did you just not read what I typed? The matter at play and the opinion I belive the MAJORITY of people bothered by this F-18 thing, is the fact it’s still not here.
Read this 10 times over: The problem IS NOT “USA didn’t get new jet, russian bias”, the problem is at this point the F-18 is LATE and probably obsolete and barely playable. This many F-15s, specially F-15E this year was a mistake. Both the Hornet and Su-33 should’ve been added earlier this year.
I mean, that’s no surprise to anyone in this community. Despite having like 100k players daily, the second the community calls for BR decompression, Gaijin still throws stuff like “Oh we don’t want you to have long queue times” at us or whatever they come up with, expecting us to believe them. There are tons of other issues, such as how the current game modes are barely supporting the technology in-game, many vehicles still nowhere to be seen… but those are discussions for another post.
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Are you trying to bait or what, German MiG-29s and MiG-23MLA were also part of the problem. Give me a reason why a bunch of nations got the F-16 along with the USA while USSR got their MiG-29 alone, with Germany and Italy, at the time prob the worst nation by fair to play air battles, only getting theirs later on. You can make a case for Italy and the Hungarian sub tree, but Germany? F-4F ICE?
What you do here doesn’t help at all. Happened to other countries before, happened to the USA just now, and IT WILL HAPPEN LATER ON AGAIN. Plus, the difference here is that we’re talking about THE F/A-18 Hornet, not yet another MiG-29, or yet another MiG-23. Why don’t you just engage in these sort of talks to prevent this from happening again to other countries?
Read the first post again, and this too: Slinging F-15s around this year was a mistake. Both the Su-33 and F/A-18 should’ve been added months ago. And THAT is my point.
i for one am not a big fan of hornets atleast not the european kind
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these ones >:(
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I think you stopped reading after you saw “1987”. I’ll type the rest here again to make it easier for you:
- Doesn’t even reach mach 2.
- Thrust/Weight ratio lower than almost all (if not all) other top tier jets.
- It has the usual mechanical radar, we’ve already entered PESA territory, and we’ll see AESA really soon. Also its radar has been in the game for a damn good while.
- There are MANY better choices, F-15C and E would be a better pick for matches, Rafale and Eurofighter will also enter the top 3 strongest picks list. God even an F-14D with possible AMRAAMs would probably just be better overall.
Oh and by the way I’m mostly referring to the C variant, the A version without fox 3s could’ve been added even earlier. Once again, the main point is: The F-18 is damn late and at the rate this game is adding things, it’ll be DOA and no one will care when it’s finally here because it’ll already be obsolete and trash to play with. Trailer hype and when people join dev server it’ll be clear that absolutely everything in top tier is faster than it and it gets eaten alive by F-15E’s BVR and in dogfights against Rafales and EFs.
- calm your tone
you are not making sense.
also you are demanding a reason from the wrong person
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because we have. and it doesnt work. so yk what to do. grow up and accept the fact that you americans are no different. the world in unfair and so is WT. accept that and stop crying when once in a blue moon u guys have to feel the same way as the rest of WT aside from russia
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that is your opinion.
F-18 can still be added and it wouldnt be any loss.
remember. no one is entitled to the spotlight.
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I am perfectly calm, I just won’t take it easy with your bad and shallow response. And I’ll adress why it’s bad and shallow in this post, keep reading.
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If you’re gonna bring something up and say the answer doesn’t make sense and I’m addressing the wrong person, don’t bring it up. Direct the issues you had with the past German additions elsewhere too. It’s an issue that has affected many different nations in-game and will affect more.
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So because “it doesn’t work” you go around saying stuff like “Stop crying”, “Grow up”, “You Americans”? Seems like you’re the one who needs to grow up, you act like an angry teenager. I care more about the vehicles than about the nation, matter of fact I have top tier in half the nations in the game, I play it all, and I’m not even American. I was bothered when the Swedish Gripen was intially supposed to be inferior to the South African one. I was bothered with Germany getting their MiGs late, bothered there’s still not MiG-25, Su-33 came late and as a squadron vehicle (lmao), I’m bothered the US will get THE HORNET way too late as well. I play for the vehicles, not to lick the nation’s boots. I am aware “tHe WoRlD iS uNfAiR”, but we’re talking dealing with a video game lmao, what is this philosophical bs? This unfairness you mentioned affect only SOME game aspects, which can be easily balanced and corrected most of the time. But sometimes they can’t, such as the impossibility of adding an Eurofighter back when Fox 3s were first introduced, hence the pathetic F-4F ICE being Germany’s Fox 3 fighter for the update. All this does NOT apply to something like the F-18A and C, Su-33 as well. You seem to ignore the fact I repeatedly said the Su-33 should’ve also been added MONTHS ago. F-4F ICE was added late as well, should’ve been added earlier on, even without Fox 3s.
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Thanks for pointing out to ME that what I type here is my opinion. But you should be the one paying attention to this fact. You instantly addressed my original post with sarcasm, immaturity, “stop the gripe”, later on with more “Stop crying” and pulling out of nowhere “You Americans”. I paid close attention to make it clear the issue isn’t “US didn’t get new shiny jet”, F-15E should not have been added, Su-33 is also late so on and so on, you still ignored that and typed nonsense here. If you’re gonna answer this with even more of that teenage behavior, I’ll act like one too lol, cover my ears and not listen to you. Don’t even bother replying if that’s the case. Have a good day.
Ok cool.
Have you ever heard of players who used to seal club early Super Sonic Jets or superior Sub-Sonic Jets in an F-86? Ex: F-4 Phantoms, T-2’s, MIG-17’s, MIG-19’s, MIG-21’s. I fought them all in an F-86. During the Early years.
What you want is an echo chamber however clearly everyone doesn’t seem to agree. Sorry bud make a proper thread next time, not an echo chamber. Cause I don’t agree with anything you have said.
So I stand by what I said, just because a plane is from 1984 does not mean it will not be superior to other aircraft of its time. The F-15 only existed because we were building a fighter jet that could supersede the MIG-25 Foxbat based on very little info however moment we captured a MIG-25 we realized it was a flying piece of crap, excuse my French or Dutch.
One more thing the F-18 isn’t in the game. Even then it was designed to supersede the F-16(its competitor and replace many aircraft that came before). Can’t say that for the F-15 as she still has a 105.5 to 0.
It also carries a whopping 10 AMRAAMs plus 2 AIM-9s. 4 extra missiles is well worth slightly lower flight performance.
Have you ever heard of players who used to seal club early Super Sonic Jets or superior Sub-Sonic Jets in an F-86? Ex: F-4 Phantoms, T-2’s, MIG-17’s, MIG-19’s, MIG-21’s. I fought them all in an F-86. During the Early years.
Every time something new comes to the game there’s that period of experimenting and learning.
- A-10s, deemed heavy, sluggish, ground attack planes, has a smaller turn circle than pretty much everything at its tier, so when it came out everything trying to dogfight it just died
- Su-25BM with the first actual introduction of R-73s. People quickly learned IRCCM, thrust vectoring and 40g pull was no joke, even in an Su-25.
- First IR missiles (9Bs, R3s), people quickly learned they didn’t hit anything, so they started to dodge, and later on they were literally used to force the running guy to dodge hard and bleed his speed.
- First radar missiles, people quickly learned flying high was a no no.
I could stay here all day listing times when something new came to the game and the community experimented with it. Back when those jets you mentioned were being added, the community’s mentality was heavily influenced by all the years of close dogfighting (this is still present RIGHT NOW even with Fox 3s flying around), turning, booming and zooming at max. Now I ask you, guess what happens if you try to outturn a Sabre in a Phantom? People quickly found out that doesn’t work out. And a little bonus, please get a friend in an squadron hop into some 12.0 battles in your Sabre and tell me the results.
I have footage of me beating Viggens, Mirages F1 and MiG-23MLDs in dogfights in an AMX (SB). Does this mean AMX = Mig-23MLD = Mirage F1 = VIGGEN? I don’t know what point you wanted to prove with this example. I’m not saying F-18 would be absolutely unplayable, but just answer me if a plane with lower TWR, lower top speed, lower acceleration than almost ALL its competition would be a fun experience. Keep in mind said plane had plenty of time to be added early on without breaking the game.
What you want is an echo chamber however clearly everyone doesn’t seem to agree. Sorry bud make a proper thread next time, not an echo chamber. Cause I don’t agree with anything you have said.
If you don’t agree… fine? State you don’t agree and discuss why, maybe don’t. Instead you’re just barging here, assuming stuff and stating to ME (who made the thread) what I intended with this thread. Do you realize how crazy that is?
So I stand by what I said, just because a plane is from 1984 does not mean it will not be superior to other aircraft of its time. The F-15 only existed because we were building a fighter jet that could supersede the MIG-25 Foxbat based on very little info however moment we captured a MIG-25 we realized it was a flying piece of crap, excuse my French or Dutch.
Once again you stopped reading when you saw “1987”, so let me list the other stuff yet again:
- Lower Thrust/Weight ration than almost everything else (if not everything else) at its tier.
- We’re entering AESA territory, PESA already in the game. F-18s radar is nothing special and has been in the game for ages already.
- F-18 is WAY slower than a lot of things in its tier. Barely faster than an F-5E. If you have the guts to say this is not a BIG disadvantage, I’ll be certain you don’t play top tier at all.
- You thought F-15E was strong? Typhoon accelerates faster than it, carries the same amount of missiles, plus Brimstones and better maneuverability. Rafale is no joke either, maybe just slightly behind the Typhoon.
- And I’ll add yet another one, “Oh but 10 AMRAAMs”. What good will they do when EVERYTHING ELSE flies over mach 1.3 most of the match. Could be good if used right, don’t get me wrong, but in the F-18? Not game-breaking. Not a bit.
I KNOW year of introduction is not a determinant factor to add a vehicle, hence why I listed other things along with that info. Pay attention next time.
One more thing the F-18 isn’t in the game. Even then it was designed to supersede the F-16(its competitor and replace many aircraft that came before). Can’t say that for the F-15 as she still has a 105.5 to 0.
As for this I legit have no idea what you’re talking about or what point you want to make lmfao.
Bro, this is not a F/A-18 problem - it’s a matchmaker problem
If the system worked correctly you’d just put Hornet in an appropriate BR and be done with it
Though I’m not convinced that it’s as bad as you make it out to be
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Didn’t the USA get like the objectively best fighter in the game last update in the F15E? I am sure they can wait a little bit till next update probs, it’s not like they are starving for air supremacy. (:
Bros just read my entire message 🙏
- I’m not mad the US is not getting anything, matter of fact I disagree with the F-15E coming this year, specially in an October/November update. Both the Hornet and Su-33 should’ve come earlier this year.
The main issue is: we really are getting GTA VI before the Hornet at this point. Are they just gonna add the Super Hornet first? Atp we’re better off that way really. Are we getting a Legacy Hornet when things like the Gripen E or even more Eurofighters also get added? Competing against Meteors, IRIS-Ts, ASRAAMS, MICA IRs and so on?
I’m tired of having to repeat myself.
Both the Hornet and Su-33 should’ve come earlier this year.
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I admire your optimism on GTA VI’s release date. o.O as for the rest, ok.
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Yeah matchmaker has been terrible for ages. Gaijin simply refuses to decompress BRs. As for its performance, it’s always a guess, but I think we can work on some logic right now. F-15E is already a beast, Typhoon and Rafale are even better and the Legacy Hornet is inferior in almost all aspects, except fox 3 slots and maybe other specific stuff.
Gameplay would probably be something like the Gripen, a bit safer and lower than the rest, difference being even safer lol. Flying high while everything else slings AMRAAMS at 8 km altitude and mach 1.5 probably wouldn’t be a good idea.
What? It’s not a premium, and Soviet’s got an adequate aircraft last major but still not F-15C equivalent.
Its TWR is about the same as F-16C.
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They, Japan, and Israel got the best 2 major updates ago.
F-15E added another.