Ok let me be clear with you then, the reason the F-15E is factually the best jet in the game right now is simply down to the fact that while its top speed is similar to other jets, it will actually maintain a high % of that top speed at all times when played correctly, where as something like the F-15C is much slower throughout a match and can’t maintain energy nearly as well… this allows you to maintain absolute positioning advantage at ALL TIMES until you make mistakes and allow you to fully dictate fights. It also means your amraams (the current best fox3s) have far more RANGE and SPEED than other people you’re fighting as they inherit your much higher starting speed and often altitude. The F-15E STICKS to its speed, it MAINTAINS speed like no other jet in game.
Do you mean that the F-104G has better acceleration, or that the Mig-21 does?
You mean like how the F-15C retains all of its speed in a high speed turn… I know this cause I’ve done it hundreds of times [not just in random battles, but random battles screenshot is present].
@Ion_Protogen
F-104G has the better acceleration. I’d mention F-104S, but F-104S has F-16-like acceleration.
?? I mean how the F-15E maintains speed far better than anything else in the game full stop no matter what its doing. The F-15E is the fastest jet in the game in reality because its the only one going as fast as it does, because the others don’t have the acceleration to actually reach these speeds in these maps.
360 CM’s is diabolical on the F-15I too.
I’ve quite literally tested the at-speed speed retention again.
It’s effectively identical despite F-15E using the same fuel weight, and we both know F-15C players bring less fuel than F-15E players cause of fuel consumption with the more thrust engines.
F-15C had the best acceleration of an ARH carrier prior to F-15E and is still 2nd.
Yak-141 still has the fastest overall acceleration in the game.
Straight up untrue. F-15E holds energy better in all scenarios.
Not to mention it’ll have more energy too
as a hornet fanboy this is just horrible how bad gajin has done this jet like really your gonna add jets from the 2000s but not a jet from the 1980s=
it’s fine just wait like 2-3 months it’ll come to wt
man its always about “when F-18, why no F-18” while nobody seems to care about MiG-25 being way to late and not added either
bro i honestly dont wanna wait any longer i honestly
there’s probably a pretty cool usermodel out there, try live war thunder
Depending on which era A model Gaijin will model, the F-14A from 2000 to about 2004 was basically an F-14B with a TF-30 but, they could carry AIM-7MH, AIM-9M-8, additional CM launcher which is diffrent from BOL.
Since Gaijin doesn’t model TF-30s compressor stall and really bad throttle response, I would say late A model would be better than B model in some points.
Sustained turn rate = energy retention, which F-15E lacks due to weighing 2 tons more empty.
F-15E couldn’t retain energy better even pre-nerf let alone post-nerf because its maximum sustained tun rate was still >1 degree per second slower than F-15C.
That’s like saying “F-104S/Q-5 holds more energy better than F-16 in all scenarios.” Yeah, cause its elevator can’t exceed the sustained turn rate ignoring the fact that F-16 retains energy better because it has a better sustained turn rate.
Sorry if this is off topic, but what sort of testing conditions did you use? I just did a quick test with the German Mig-21Bis-SAU and the German F-104G with a standard combat load (full fuel+max missile count), and the Mig-21 took 1:15 to hit 1365IAS at roughly 50m, while the F-104G took 1:30. Both of these were on takeoff, while staying under 70m on the Denmark map.
I’ve also found the acceleration to be better on the MiG in regular gameplay too.
I’ll end this discussion here by saying you do not understand the meta currently and how the F-15E’s strength’s in acceleration/climb affects the overall bvr meta. F-15E accelerates and holds speed far better OUTSIDE OF DOGFIGHTS (which it shouldnt be getting into at all) ((you only kept talking about how they interact in a dogfight)) which is what allows it to maintain a constant positional and NEZ advantage.
The F-15E is essentially a missile bus. If you force a dogfight you’ll probably lose. The F-15E should be used as a BVR larper, and not a dogfighter.
Clean for overt direct tests. Now that it’s the same test flight map I can re-do all my tests next major update and get a datasheet of the most accurate data too.
Clean minimum, clean mid, clean full, same AB fuel time [which is a complicated mess]. Add in a weapons kit. Add in external fuel tanks to some loadouts.
So on and so forth.
Sustained turn for energy retention and rate fighting.
Instantaneous for AOA on target.
Time to climb.
Acceleration.
@USA_PilotsAreBad
Sustained turn rate = energy retention. This facts of physics does not change no matter how much you argue otherwise.
Your claim that F-15E can retain energy better is an implication that Q-5L retains energy better than an F-16 when.
It’s a misunderstanding of physics and possibly terminology.
F-18C has better energy retention than Mig-29 despite being slower.
Even Mig-29SMT retains energy better than F-15E, it’s just slower to accelerate cause all its thrust is at the top end.
Mig-29 has a thrust increase of 91% from static.
F-15E has a thrust increase of 56% from static.
@magikvfx
You meant to respond to USA, I’ve been saying that this entire time.
Me this entire topic: Dogfighting isn’t useful in air RB most of the time.
No. Lol. Just because you claim things work absolutely like this does not mean they do.