Given the Harrier Gr7 has 4x BOL + 4x Aim-9Ms and is still a fairly under-powered 12.3. (Though the FM buffs coming might help in that regard) 2-4x BOL at most would raise its BR to 11.7, which I wouldnt have any issue with. But 2x BOL, especially in their current state, wouldnt affect the BR.
But in its current state, it is weaker than the Sea Harrier FRS1 at 11.0. and thats before the FRS1 gets buffs (it has a load of outstanding bug reports)
it would be 12.7 at Minimum with R77. SHAR FA.2 is subsonic and carries less kit at 13.0. having AHR at 12.0 (able to face 11.0) is a BAD idea
the T.10 will be 11.3 with half its BOL. i can see it going to 11.7 with all 4 pods. either options are a good option!
the A6E isnt even a real comparison tbh. its a weird aircraft with an optimal loadout of 3aim9l and a gunpod for air to air. its so unique in that regard that i cant compare it to anything
According to you I wasn’t lol.
Also it is still a buff. 3 aim-9Ls, and a gun pod are pretty good. You wanted survivability, now gaijin gave it to you since you complained so much.
Imagine this: you want to play USSR at top tier but you’ve been left in the dust the last 2 updates for a good A2A fighter. Then you get one, but it gets complained about so much, it’s DOA. The first nerf hurt, second nerf made it crash into the ground.
Now imagine if another nation was getting an Su-30SM that didnt have any of those nerfs and was in fact a lot stronger. But had the same BR.
That is what the Harrier T10 vs AV-8B(NA) is like at the moment
when it ought to be 4 9Ls with 2 BOL so that its at least on par with its closest counterpart, which is of the same aircraft family.
Imagine if the Indian SU30 got added but it was literally better in every way, that’s what the AV8B NA is to the T10
i dont know if you are intentionally being dense now or not, but ill spell it out in plain english for a final time tonight
harriers suffer from an extremely hot IR signature due to how thrust and IR is modeled ingame. Due to the harriers having INSANE amounts of thrust for a non afterburing engine (so it can do VTOL) the game believes its hotter then it is. IRL the harrier ran cold compared to other engine designs due to being a turbofan compressor setup a bit like a conventional airline jet (very oversimplified)
Now due to the main problem of the harrier being its IR signature, it takes alot of countermeasures to flare even the easiest of missiles (R60, aim9E and the rest).
The addition of extra chaff doesnt fix this problem. and ofc to take it, youre reducing air to air loadouts. Meanwhile, at the same BR, the american AV8B(NA) gets 180 countermeasures. (i have this, ive been playing it, ive taken 150flares 30 chaff and its very good with that)
all the T.10 users are asking for is the BOL pods, which give us the ability to take lots of weaker countermeasures (IR Flares) so we can attempt to mitigate the issues with the harrier. It DID have them IRL so it isnt a fictional addition
i hope this clears everything up :)
The Harrier GR-7 is 12.3 with:
A MAW
640 cms
4 aim-9m
2 cannons (may be Able to carry 4)
Su-39 with 2 R-77 (takes place of the R-73 and requires the radar)
Or could use R-27ER/T (in place of the Vikhir)
R-60M can be replaced by chaff / flare pods / a jammer.
(Countless other weapons I have no idea about)
So 12.3 maximum. Seems pretty fair. No MAW, slower, turns worse (if the Harrier has a good pilot), more than double the cms, 4 aim-9m which outweigh probably all but are equal to R-27s in effectiveness.
Throw the tornado Gr1 VS Mig-29 in there too
What is even bad about the F-4s?? It is a stellar aircraft.
try the F4JUK on for size. same BR. worse flight performance, missiles, and radar
Then make them equal, but they’re both 12.3 now. Fair? Fair.
No.
It has IRCM which makes you immune to rear-aspect IR missiles, its better than the rear-aspect MAWS on the Gr7
I have that too lol
RAF version of F-4J is inferior on every aspect compared to F-4S, which comes out later
but maintains the same BR.
Just Like finnish F-18C vs USN F/A-18C Late. case.
:/
Does it now? Well, if the harrier is chasing you, your doomed anyways, can’t out run it, so what use does that ircm have unless your fighting an A-10C?
so you want them both moved up a whole BR for what reason exactly?
Yeah the F-4JUK being 11.7 probably wouldn’t be too bad
700 cms. That’s an insane amount, paired with a MAW.
