move a vehicle down because it doesnt have identical stats to vehicle X.
so its now at 6.3.
Now the vehicles that it fights, cannot compete with it and now it is the HO-RI that is better than its competitors.
SO what now?
We could move it - but we just moved it down so we cant do that, makes no sense.
So - all the other vehicles that are not as good as the HO-RI - only option left is to lower the br of all those vehicles. (like we just did to the ho-ri)
Now the HO-RI has no-one to fight against because we lowered their br’s.
Now the vehicles we moved down in BR to escape the ho-ri, are now dominating at the br they got moved down to.
So now we have to lower all the vehicles they fight.
you see the pattern?
All that just because there is a vehicle at your br that is a bit better than yours. It just aint worth it.
Everyone seems to want their vehicle to be the best at its BR at every possible thing and if not- its broken.
But most forget the greater implications - their only singular thought is THAT particular vehicle and doing what is best for that vehicle to make it unstoppable without considering what it would do to other vehicles or other br’s.
Put it to 6.0 and then make the guy fight it with a t44 or something… opinion would quickly change.
It was not ‘just moved down’ it existed at 6.0 with the Jagdpanther which seems perfectly fair and reasonable before it was arbitrarily moved up to a BR that nullifies its advantages.
All other vehicles that aren’t as good as Ho-Ri, its the bottom of the barrel the Su-122 Ferdinand are better than the Ho-Ri. Ho-Ri is meant as a heavy TD to be hard to kill yet any tank with an 88 or 100+mm can pen it. You’re meant to use your brain and go for barrel/tracks on a heavily armoured enemy yet American heavies can just point and click on the barnhouse that is the Ho-Ri’s turret.
As Flip says, a whopping 50% increase in armour isnt something that is to be taken lightly and you’ve glossed over that in your application of the Production into the prototype. You can’t really fairly compare the two without looking at the enemies they face. The protoype would never face Leopards or lightly armoured vehicles that infest the 7.3/8.0 BR the Production takes place at.
Your not always uptiered.
There are variety of BR’s in any given match.
I get what your saying about armour etc but simply choosing a ho-ri or something with armour and a good gun should not just be an insta checkmate whilst everyone else has to work hard to kill you.
I was using it as an example, keep reading.
It should be, that’s what repair costs are used for to balance strong vehicles with the cost of losing them, take for example the F-82E which is one of the best fighters you can get which is balanced out by a 9k repair cost. You should be harder to kill and you should have it easier to kill to offset the high repair cost you would have, some vehicles need 1 kill to put you in the green yet because its a premium Gaijin refuse to put it at a lower BR because of premium economy balancing. There’s a reason the Ferdinand has a 5k repair cost and the Tiger 2 with its 6k.
I’ve never played either of these tanks, take that as you will. But from an outside perspective the jump in BR seems far too small for what seems like a massive improvement in capabilities.
Vastly improved mobility, highly improved armor, and even noticeably more powerful gun… for a 0.6 BR increase?
It kills a tiger 2 no problem.
Just dont try to out Ferdinand a Ferdinand - boom - problem solved!
Move it down and it would dominate, but you dont care about that or considered it, just want what is good for you in whatever vehicle you are in at that particular time. . . .
Lets put it at 6.0 then and then you can switch nations and fight it with your 6.0 brit or american or russian, italian etc - THEN tell me 6.0 is the correct br. . . . . .
How would it dominate?
All that you would need to one shot this vehicle is 120mm of pen a feat easily achievable by almost any tank.
Let’s say you only take the minimum amount of ammo, 120mm on the sides can still take out the Gunner and loader or the commander and the loader, not to mention 76mm can destroy its transmission and prevent it from moving.
Once again you’re taking your experiences with the Ho-Ri production and applying it to this vehicle. This tank isn’t as well armoured as you’d expect. 6.0 Panthers can kill this vehicle at 500m.
A 2.7TD armed with a 17 pounder can one shot this vehicle. Any M109 can hit the turret sides to one shot it
Any USSR tank with an 85mm can kill this tank by shooting either driver’s hatch. It’s exceptionally easy to kill this vehicle.
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Look at this, how do you say that a Tiger 2 is easy to kill when only one turret cheek is pennable and the driver port.
Do you not know how ridiculous it is that you’re saying that this is a fair and even matchup for a Ho-Ri when it has, worse armour than a Tiger 2, worse gun and reload, no turret and a worse speed.
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and the shell of that tiger also has crazy pen.
also the Type two APHE sucks the ho-ri has a better round that one is only good for after pentation damage.
the prototype is just sad, worse than jagpanther at everything but armor and somehow 0.4 higher in br
No it doesn’t.
In fact, both Ho-Ris get Type 2 APHE as their only armor piercing round. The difference that Type 2 from the Prototype has 916 m/s muzzle velocity, while from the Production it has 1000 m/s.
Ammunition
Ho-Ri Prototype
Ho-Ri Production
As can be seen, Type 2 APHE is the only armor piercing round available in both cases.
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Do you not think before you speak or type even. So confident and for what? The Ho-Ri ONLY HAS ONE AP ROUND AND ONE HE ROUND. Thank you for agreeing the Type two APHE absolutely sucks it does indeed, but I’m not cherrypicking these results by using varying ammo. I picked the Type two APHE as it’s the only AP round available and the only one people will be using to takeout enemy armoured tanks.
Yeah, I used the default round that most people would use the PzGr 39/43 which isn’t HE, HEAT, or APCR, its the stock round APCBC that everyone would use the most. It does have crazy pen but so does every 88 in the game with the signature 237mm.
