That’s a lot nicer than most people would say
Lol, how about you just delete on your own device 😂
I didn’t mention this previously, but the Ho-Ri Prototype’s cannon also has really poor dispersion.
0.07 degrees maximum horizontal dispersion, and 0.09 degrees maximum vertical dispersion. At 300 meters, your round can just go half a meter over or under where you’re shooting, and this obviously is worse at longer ranges. For comparison, the long 88 and US 90 mm have maximum dispersions of 0.027 degrees both horizontal and vertical.
So again, the longer the range, the worse the cannon gets by comparison.
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TL;DR Ho-Ri Prototype should be moved down to 6.3, as its more comparable to vehicles at that BR
Long version:
While these arguments are valid, there cannot really be a case made for the Ho-Ri Production sitting equal to the Jagdtiger or Ferdinand due to mobility, as their hp/ton is not majorly different (hori has 10, JTiger has 8.5 and Ferdinand has 9.2 hp/ton) and the Jagdpanther sits too low anyways, it belongs at 6.3. All 3 of these vehicles have better firepower, with higher penetrating and higher velocity cannons, with sufficient explosive filler to kill most things in one shot. The tradeoff for some 10% additional mobility is a massive loss in armor, as the Ho-Ri Prototype has 120mm/150mm/250mm across its upper gun shield region, compared to the Ferdinand’s 200mm and Jagdtiger’s 250mm across the same region. Even the Ho-Ri Proto’s super sloped UFP has only about 150mm effective thickness, while the Ferdinand has at least 200 and Jagdtiger has 150mm thickness raw. The Ferdinand and Jagdtiger both have significantly more side, roof, and rear armor to boot, although that is slightly less relevant. Comparing to the Jagdpanther, it has similar HP/ton at 13, while having slightly less armor at about 130mm effective thickness on the UFP. This is much more similar, as both the Jagdpanther and Ho-Ri Prototype share similar armor values, as well as relatively similar mobility, and the Jagdpanther carries a larger gun and is faster at the cost of some crew and maximum armor thickness. Strictly comparing German TDs of similar BRs, the Ho-Ri looks like it should be moved down.
Looking at other casemates at similar BRs, T28(6.3) is harder to compare, since its so slow. However, it has far better frontal armor, a better gun with similar reload and post-pen but better pen, and roof .50cals, but far less mobility. So, I’d say it’s about equal, the T28 to the Proto, although the Ho-Ri is a far easier nut to crack frontally.
The British Tortoise(6.7), while being a slightly underperforming 6.7, is still a good bit better than the Ho-Ri Prototype due to having more armor (152mm all-around vs Proto’s 120 cheek/150 center/250 mantlet and 75mm LFP) and an arguably better gun with far better pen but worse post-pen. If its kind of bad at 6.7, one only needs to imagine how the Ho-Ri Proto, also at 6.7, does with worse firepower and armor.
The Soviet/Russian SU-122-54 at 6.7 is strictly speaking, a Ho-Ri Prototype but good. It has comparable armor (100mm sloped to roughly 150mm effectiveness give or take), better mobility at 12.8 hp/ton, higher forward top speed, slightly longer reload on its gun but better APCBC as well as access to APDS and HEAT, and not to be overlooked two secondary 14.5mm machine guns, one coaxially mounted and one roof mounted.
The conclusion is that the Ho-Ri Prototype compares more similarly to similar vehicles that are at 6.3, while significantly worse than many of its peers at 6.7, which is why I believe it should be moved down to 6.3.
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Exactly the points that necessitate such a move for the Ho-Ri (Although put more eloquently than my own proposal). The Ho-Ri was initially at 6.0 yet was arbitrarily move up to 6.7.
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Petit baby carrots for garnish?
onions for breakfast
Ferdinand and Jagdtiger have practically better mobility than Ho-Ri prototype thanks to their neutral steering. When a Ho-Ri is at full stop, it is extremely clumsy and slow to turn it around. In addition Ferdi has an amazing reverse speed.
Thanks to no turret and very poor mobility, most usually with Ho-Ri proto you can only hope the enemy shoots at your 250mm thick parts. Those 150, 120 and 75mm front parts can hardly even be called weakspots due to their size. Together they are about 3 times the size of T-44 turret front. Is there even anything less mobile than Ho-Ri, other than T28/95 and Maus? Actually I’d prefer Maus due to neutral steering.
With 40 rounds or less you SHOULD be safe from getting one shot by most under 100mm guns, but lately I have been one shot by Soviet 85mm and US 90mm through front superstructure while having just 20 rounds. I don’t know if their fragmentation was increased or Ho-Ri’s ammo has weaker health than before.
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its unplayable. angling to the extreme will give you whopping 145mm frontal protection. you need to do some serious gymnastics to pen, a complete non-issue on any other td. gun tends to be inaccurate too if you want to weakspot aim. belongs at 6.0. zero purpose for playing this, and according to wiki its been off sale for a very long time - yeah i wonder why.
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Ho-Ri Prototype should be close to Jagdpanther, even worse due to the front armor. Maybe Gaijin just forgot this vehicle…
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Ferdinand is slower and easy to flank, ho ri has annoying angled armour that defeats apcr whereas the Ferdinand’s armour is flat. The ho-ri is fine at it is, either 6.7 or out of the game as it isn’t real
What do you call this then
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On the front plate, and the upper armour is still annoying to pen, the gun is good and has good post pen
Why would you shoot the heavily angled front when the transmission cover is flat 75mm and the front of the casemate is flat 120mm?
Great, so does a Dicker Max’s and that’s at 3.7.
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Yeah but you can mg the dicker max
I wasn’t comparing their armor. Though at 6.7 those flat 120mm might as well be paper.
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Are you sure 120-140mm armor is hard to pen at 6.7?
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You can also mg the Ho-Ri what is this logic
Will they move it down to 6.3 before they remove it?
Well that happent the time they Buff all meds penetration and this same patch uptier Ho-Ri years now is in this same state every think can pen you up front you are basicly open top slow and huge that why no one play them wasted money again.