Historical matchmaker for everyone

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@EddieVanHalo

War Thunder is a old tired game and now modern players are asking for and expecting something War Thunder cant deliver.That is hardly the customers fault is it?

As far as I’m aware, Gaijin is adjusting based on consumer trends. Why do you think they’ve been heavily pushing out modern vehicles despite lack of technical accuracy? It is because there is heavy demand, and money is flowing there. To say they aren’t delivering what “modern” players are asking for sounds incredibly inaccurate, considering we on the forums are a minority of the player base.

@EddieVanHalo

A old tired engine that can’t be tweaked defended by a pseudo–intellectual army of buffoons who can’t see the game for what it really is and pounces on anybody who questions it.

You and others were constantly told by other forumers with valid reasons why a historical matchmaker does not fit the state of the game for normal public matches excluding events. You disagreed and give your own definition of what War Thunder should be per your expectations and defended your position, only for an employee to explain what others have been telling you already. Unless the employee is a buffoon too, you would do well to reevaluate what you think you understand about the game. I can assure you are mixing some of your wants as game needs.

@EddieVanHalo

Now we have so many somewhat stupid people claiming it is some kind of bad suggestion and anybody who suggests it or expects it is some kind of villain or idiot for doing so.

Because, as @SinisterIsRandom is showing as examples, it would be heavily unbalanced. You were even told that by the employee, and now you’re dismissing them as stupid.

[kitsune_qq]

Well, most of modifications like that doesnt have place in year balance.
But still can be funny

[Just_Baron]

Year and Balance do not coexist. Reality is not fair. Games can be.

[Razielkaine]

Like these?

[kitsune_qq]

Reality can be fair in part of cases.
But main trouble - theres always one nation that ahead from others

[Just_Baron]

Well, if they want Historical Balance as Russia, China, etc, I’m sure the NATO mains won’t complain :)

[Just_Baron]

No, not really. For every Sherman 75 your Tiger can see, there’s always a T32E1. Would you enjoy using a Panzer IV against a T32E1?

How about a T-72B firing 3BM42 versus a SEPv2 firing M829A2?

[kitsune_qq]

I already described case where Su-27 against tomcat. Which balanced and historical at same time

[Just_Baron]

An Su-27 wouldn’t just see a Tomcat, it would see a Super Raptor.

The Su-27 already struggles against much younger F-15 models. You do realize the F-15 was around when the Mig-23 was, right?

If anything, NATO mains are the ones being held back.

[SinisterIsRandom]

That’s equipment that is not a justification. By your logic, if I took an F-4E and gave it the equipment it was first given then it should serve along with the F-100 Super Sabre. They both came from the same period and their loadout coming from around the same period should serve in the same battle ratings.

But also going by your logic then the F-4G “Wild Weasel” should be serving alongside the F-14 Tomcat.

It’s an F-4 Phantom II that cannot perform in combat against an F-14 and an F-100 cannot perform against an F-4E. The F-14 and F-4 in this context are superior in every aspect.

So no loadouts are not a justification for where a vehicle should be ranked and placed at battle ratings. They should be fighting what their capable of fighting but only capable of dominating depends on the pilot.
MIG-21’s vs F-4’s is perfectly fine. The SU-27->F-15 Eagle
MIG-23/MIG-27 and to an EXTENT MIG-31 equal foe to the ->F-14. However, that said the MIG-31 isn’t in the game but I’m gonna mention it since it would be somewhat relatively on the same plate.

[kitsune_qq]

@Just_Baron

An Su-27 wouldn’t see a Tomcat, it would see a Super Raptor.

Why?

@Just_Baron

The Su-27 already struggles against much younger F-15 models. You do realize the F-15 was around when the Mig-23 was, right?

I realize what will be, literally gulf war

[kitsune_qq]

Should and “Su-27 and F-14B” slightly different

[Just_Baron]

@kitsune_qq

Why?

Because the F-14 is a Naval Aircraft. The Su-27 doesn’t have an aircraft carrier to launch off of.

So no, a fight would not be realistic between the two under most circumstances.

Secondly, while an F-14 could see the Su-27, it could also see Mig-21 and other lesser aircraft. An Su-27 would never stand a chance in a realistic fight between it and an F-14.

And your Su-27 would also see F-22, F-35, F15 (all), and much more.

[kitsune_qq]

@Just_Baron

Because the F-14 is a Naval Aircraft. The Su-27 doesn’t have an aircraft carrier to launch off of.

So no, a fight would not be realistic between the two under most circumstances.

F-14 can be used as fighter, like killing lybian Su-22 in 1981. But not Su-22, Su-27 in that case

@Just_Baron

Secondly, while an F-14 could see the Su-27, it could also see Mig-21 and other lesser aircraft. An Su-27 would never stand a chance in a realistic fight between it and an F-14.

Btw, most of soviet aircrafts starting from mig-21

[SinisterIsRandom]

As I stated the F-14 and Su-27 are not equals. Does not matter what variant you’re using there on different plains of existence. Now with that carry on with your discussion with Baron.

[Sanchouzz]

@SinisterIsRandom

Ok, and that would leave people who are at average skill level never improving because they only play with Average-skill-level players. See the problem here?

No, there’s no problem.
Problem is, when newbies been crumped by pros, without even chance to resist.
This is discouraging them, and get them to idea leave the game rather then “be better”.

But if they will play with equals - they have equal chances to win/lose, and this will encourage them play better - because they know, that game was fair, and they really can see progress if try improve themselves.

While pros just too much higher, and its almost impossible to reach their level before they fall into despair.

@SinisterIsRandom

Veterans are a result of our experience in ground, naval, or air.

Don’t forget about the huge time head start.

@SinisterIsRandom

We can help teach less experienced players how to perform and join our ranks. Sometimes it’s down to just observing, sometimes talking to us, sometimes finding a way to get coached by one. There are several different ways Discord and or another similar app is involved in that case.

Pfff…
Do you know lot of vets, who try help newbies, especially if they not friends/regiment conscripts?

I know only fistful of guys/girls like that.

And shitton of overall dcks, who just joyfully beat up obviously weaker opponents, in order to later boast about the statistics they have earned, and b̶i̶̶c̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ whine about how their lives are being disturbed by newcomers who play worse than them (or just not tge way how they want), thereby insulting their “refined” taste.

(This, by the way, is the essence of single-respawn players - if they get into a fight with newcomers, they simply shoot from a meta position. If among the opponents there is also an experienced player who smoked them out, from their rooster perch, they immediately lose interest, get offended and leave from the match, justifying themself by saying that “we’ll lose anyway, there’s no point wasting time”, even if team really gets tryhard to win.)

[Just_Baron]

@kitsune_qq

F-14 can be used as fighter, like killing lybian Su-22 in 1981. But not Su-22, Su-27 in that case

It was launched from an Aircraft Carrier. If any aircraft was to fight the Su-27 over Europe, it would be the F-15 and F-16. The F4U did not fly over Europe just because it could. Your entire point is realistic fights, but this would never happen.

@kitsune_qq

Btw, most of soviet aircrafts starting from mig-21

And no Mig-21 should really fight the F-14 Tomcat, but Realistic Matchmaking would mean it could fight even some props.

[Sanchouzz]

How about ASU can respawn at any place on the map due, to its air mobility trait?

And against Chieftain (if i get it right) must be at least ASU-85, or even BMD-1/2, with ATGM.

[kitsune_qq]

@Just_Baron

It was launched from an Aircraft Carrier. If any aircraft was to fight the Su-27 over Europe, it would be the F-15 and F-16.

Su-27 can be not only over Europe

@Just_Baron

Your entire point is realistic fights, but this would never happen.

In theory - it possible
But in reality it will not happen because of soviet union politics

[SinisterIsRandom]

Dude, the complete opposite. You also cannot claim “level (Insert number here)” has any actual meaning. It doesn’t. Never has and never will. You can be a guy with Level 100 and perform just as badly as people new to the game. Level means nothing. It’s just a silly way to look professional and that’s it.

Gonna ignore the rest of what you said since it has little substance for me to bother reading. Gonna take a page out of Uncle_J_Wick’s book but your welcome to express your opinion even if it is wrong.