afaik That one HE bug since last major update (The same one at the start, “fixed” but not fixed?) have smth to do with hispano HE as well… But after all 4xhispano5 today can’t even win 6x50cal in damage… bruh
I’ve always found that the case to be honest. Not that I’ve ever had an issue with killing something from the rear, but 99% when I’m firing at something, it’s probably turning trying to throw me off their tail. If they don’t react,.I just blew away their control surfaces.
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Still never had an issue with something dying from hispanos. If I’d make a guess. Damage models just happen to favour quantity over quality and the spray and pray you get from the high ammo count and larger number of guns with the 50 cals.
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The main downside of Hispanos is that you get at most 2/3 HE running stealth and HE overperforms so much, while SAPI is incredible bad, that they aren’t as strong as they should be compare to other cannons.
US AN/M2s are literally Hispano Mk. II but they only get Ball, AP-T and HEFI but you can run a 100% HEFI belt, boosting damage over British Hispanos.
Apart from the fact that they are implemented with more HE filler despite firing literally the same HEFI shell, and the Devs simply refuse to fix that.
They also don’t get Tracer or SAPI which are practically less effective than a .50cal API.
So they certainly feel underwhelming.
I dou not understand the complaints ppl are having with 20mm. Mg-151 (Me 410, Bf 109G-2, Fw 190D-9/F-8) and Hispanos (Hurricane and Typhoon) have been working pretty well for me. They’re certainly far better than .50cals.
SM 92 just deleted planes instantly . . . when I don’t miss an entire 100 round burst.
I was prepared to write something like that:
…but i decided otherwise.
Not out of sympathy, but out of curiosity as you described issues with the Sea Fury and MK V Hispanos and i would like to see a replay why - from my pov Hispanos are a great weapon.
I mean i see daily Wyverns with the same weapon wrecking havoc on enemy teams - and the Mk II Hispanos i use frequently in the Firefly are killing reliably enemies with just a few hits. They only fighters which need more are usually from the USSR.
2 days ago i saw a plain Mosquito killing 5 enemies with plenty of 20mm ammo left. (Replay link). The Hispano cannons in the VB 10 are showing similar results and are imho an excellent weapon.
I use the universal belt as i like the flexibility to have the option to kill one or 2 medium ai tanks in a quiet phase of the match.
if it works - great. From my pov convergence is a question of your play style and resulting average combat ranges. The combat ranges of the Firefly are way closer as i use it as turnfighter whilst the VB 10 is used as BnZ/BnRun with much greater distances; so i use 600 for the Firefly and 800 for the VB 10.
I personally have no trouble with MG151 in fact I find it to be one of the best 20MM in the game.
It’s not restricted to Mk.V Hispanos. It’s all of them. Hispano Mk.II are the worst offenders in my experience. They are by far the worst 20mm’s in the game, by a wide margin.
For me, Wyvern’s are plane food. They don’t achieve anything. In ARB they’ll rush one base and die, in GRB they’ll bomb one target and die - two if they’re lucky.
I’m not saying Hispano’s are incapable of destroying aircraft. That would be a serious issue that would be hotfixed immediately.
I have recently been grinding through the French tree and playing other vehicles so I have no recent replays.
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Idk what to say - i flew just 4 U two matches in the Firefly - 1st one was bad (just an assist and a few ground targets), 2nd one showed the usual result: 2-3 hits kill a fighter:
2 hits on P-39
3 hits on I-16
4 hits on P-63
The replay link:
Gaijin Entertainment - Single Sign On
All with universal belt and 600 meters convergence. Firefly is a very good turnfighter - u might try/revisit it.
Hispanos are perfectly fine and are actually one of the better 20mm cannons flying around.
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honestly quite incredible
this is the damage if you are all wondering, also notice how the 20mm HE struck the tail and only made it yellow lmao
What? Do you want em to one shot tails and wings?
Most of those rounds missed and it was probably the AP shell that hit. Try running stealth belts.
Personally, its very rare for anything to take more than 1-2 short bursts of canon fire to completely disintergrate a target
Also, soviet fighters, are wierdly tanky
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I want them to at least do damage when they hit a critial area, yellow tail upon an HE hit at that range is like 7.7 mm level damage in this game.
Low profile shots like that won’t kill unless you’re lucky
If you pay close attention and see the impact smoke and hit decals on the plane you will see that at least 2 HE rounds connected and did almost no damage (tail), its the ap thats responsible for the wing and fuel tank damage, i just have a feeling that HE rounds on aircraft are broken again.
50cals feel weaker then the 7.7… Fly my P-51 with 50cals or my Spitfire it just always a “hit” normally uses Stealth belt or Air belt.
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Gaijin closed the most recent bug report that concerned them breaking HE rounds since the Leviathans big update claiming known issue (or in a previous report “fixed”). Community Bug Reporting System
At the current moment HE rounds are inconsistent so you can blow people up (same as pre-Leviathans) or do very little damage. This issue is magnified with Hispanos as the belts tend to incorporate the borderline useless SAP-I rounds that in most cases are worse than a typical AP round.
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Make sure u use air targets or universal belts. I find hispanos on the p-51 to be perfectly fine, the only issue is that they jam quickly
I find the Mk V Hispanos on Tempests, etc. to be very good. The Mk II on Spitfires are atrocious. The .50 cals on Spitfires are atrocious compared to US .50 cals for some reason. I can literally sit behind an AI plane and empty all my ammo into it in a Spitfire and do zero damage. They don’t even hit, it’s as if the belts are entirely ghost shells.
The best performing guns are (shockingly…) the Russian 12.7 and 20mm in Yaks. One little tiny burst obliterates anything it comes within 100m.
US .50 cal and AN 20mm are very, very good. I flat out refuse to believe the US AN 20mm or .50 cals are the same as what’s on the British planes, they could not be any more different in performance.
German 12.7 and 20mm are very, very good. (Except in their bombers, the defensive guns on the JU288 might as well not even be there they are so bad these days).