Hello everybody! Do you think that with the recent changes to certain radar missiles flight performances such as aim120, aim7, r77, mica, etc...it makes infared dogfight missiles underwhelming

True, compared to flanker or potential F-15EX it will lack in missile count a lot. But this can be mitigated with closing the distance more to make MCM harder.

Personally I think MCM should be nerfed, it just isn’t fair to jets with less missiles

I’ve played the PoBIT, I like how it flies since it’s an F-16 but I agree that low missile count ruins it at 14.3

then the eurocanards are gonna be pretty ass when the metoers get added with a max of 6 on the typhoon, this would also make the Su57 and J20 pretty ass to as they have a max fox3 of 4

They can probably still carry 120C so it won’t be a major deal

can bullshit 6 on it

Yeah, the high-missile count meta is incredibly lame

It was ok when the Su-30SM had that as its own gimmick but now it’s a standard expectation for current top tier aircraft.
It’s just not healthy for the game and allows for incredibly shitty tactics like MCM to be viable

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i dont think iv every seen a j20 with 6 fox 3s anywhere

cause they still carry the non-ff PL-15 with that one you could prolly fit 6

plus there is no need to fit more rn, same with the EF´s missile loads basically, you dont need a whole lot of missiles in peace time


no changes to the missile are gonna let them put 2 more in there i promise you, they would have to be much smaller lower range missiles

i think gaijin might be forced to nerf MCM with how trash other 5th gen missile counts are. F-35 with 4 ARH internal, J-20 with 4+2, Su-57 with 4+2 internal

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MCM shouldn’t be a thing in the first place so it would be great if they finally shot that tactic in the head and buried it in a shallow grave to rot for all eternity

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So with the Next Gen Fox 3s I would hope we see seeker improvements on them, 4.5 Gen even with 10+ of them will be more susceptible to those seekers then the 5th Gen…at certain ranges.

Also was it not said the munition RCS including Missiles would be worked on at some point…the end of MCM

Rafale doesn’t have HMS in real life besides testing?

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Just from the title I can say in ARB yes, in GRB no.

Irl the F4.1 and forward on does, not the F3R as far as in-service goes.

Not the French F-3R we have in-game

IR missiles even aim9L still should be used since you dont have infinite ARH and they are good anti multipath. IR missiles will get reworked just like ARH likely next update and maybe addition of better IR missiles.

external 16 for f-35 and with ECM it wont really matter having stealth nerfed anyways J20 can have like 14?
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looks scary
F-35 beast mode (couldn’t find a live photo)


Su57 couldn’t find a live photo

5th gen wont need help bro and far from trash

if they ever add stealth outer pylon missiles should really negate the stealth characteristics

that would be a massive issue in real life but this is war thunder more missiles better F35 for example will have the best radar and top 3 in game ECM stealth will be extra for it

stealth also doesn’t mean not seen