I play it in Sim EC. It’s actually pretty good.
The current Dev server notes state that the Hawk-209’s 30mm cannon is now moved to the external weapon loadout that can be unequipped
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Has a functioning radar as well now.
I assume that oversight was too embarrassing to even write into the changelog
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So does this mean both Hawks get guns now?
No, it just means the Indonesian one that had a gunpod, can now remove the gunpod.
The change doesn’t relate to the Hawks in the British tree
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Ahh, completely forgot about that one.
A AMX while having significantly higher wing loading will produce more lift and ITR at any given speed then the Hawk.
What’s up with that??
The Hawk is lighter, has a better wing design, lower wing loading.
Yet its sustains less and has less instantaneous turn rate.
Its almost like its got 3 x 1000 lbs bombs invisibly strapped too it, like another BAE jet we know…
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Smin can’t comment on datamined information
Well its not really data mined, the Hawk is might lighter and has a wing of a similar size. The AMX has much higher wing loading yet will pull more G at any speed.
Its as simple ass Gaijin messing up the Lift coefficients and modeling again same as Harrier.
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If you believe something is incorrect and have evidence for that, please make a report: Community Bug Reporting System
Just comparing extracted data in game from two aircraft however is not sufficient to show an issue.
Reports have been around for the Hawk since the dev server of the update it was added in.
Nothing has changed.
Operating data manual charts for another aircraft has also been deemed “not a bug”
What will actually cause change. Bug reports will not change anything…
All of the FM reports have been fixed or resolved bar 1 (sustained turn).
Bug reports very much do lead to changes. Tagging me here on the forum without a report sadly will not.
There were only ever 3 to my knowledge. Only the AOA and handling was really changed.
As for pinging you. Here is a report that was deemed not a bug. I’m very confused by the response.
I would appreciate it if you could clarify it to me as it sounds like the report was not a bugged because the devs could not make the in game harrier match the performance chart of the IRL harrier using Normal Lift thrust. (The point of bug reports is to get the in game vehicle changed because it doesn’t match the irl performance of said vehicle)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/93yjbkLr4W9y
Combined with this report where it’s proven that the harrier is missing said thrust that the devs claimed didn’t exist in game. Over half a year ago. Add these two reports together and there is indisputable evidence of something being very incorrect in game and there is still no change.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/h0CgrvJ9Uz5X
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When its possible to do so and everything adds up. Absolutely, but it was explained why it cannot be done within the dev response:
The FM would need to be artificially compromised to make induced drag same as to pure elliptic wing, which it can then achieve 6.2G with 95% thrust, but then at 85% thrust it will get same 5.8 - 6.0G
As such, without compromising (incorrectly) other areas of the FM, this report if actioned, would make the Harrier more inaccurate.
This report is still open. At the moment, there is no new response to provide.
Still makes no sense, they know the thrust is underperforming significantly.
Yet they say they cannot increase thrust to match the sustained turn performance charts of the IRL jet?
The wing efficiency doesn’t need any changing, the coefficient of lift does and the thrust does.
I still don’t see how their response is at all relevant. No one said making the wing as efficient as an elliptical wing was the solution. The entire report was based around thrust and excess power.
What resulted from this is essentially: the jet falls extremely short of expected values - with-out changing the modeling we can’t make it perform as it should - as such not a bug
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So they spent all the time doing that but can’t fix it’s FM???
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or the fact the Hawk 209 has been missing its RWR, half its armament and its radar since release. not sure if they even fixed it on dev
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